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Topic
#1497

There are two genders Male and Female

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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6
Better sources
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4
Better legibility
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2
Better conduct
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2

After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

bronskibeat
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Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
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Description

There are only two genders everyone else is defective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOniPhuyXeY

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@Barney

It has been removed.

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@bsh1
@Ramshutu

Reported the vote for voting on his own debate.

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@Nemiroff

What does the Q actually represent?

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@Nemiroff

I agree, it could be less confusing. The language largely starts within the LGBT communities, then works its way up the academic food chain, and moves out into the mainstream.

I think transgender is essentially being used to mean "non-cis", and that's where the connection lies. The language is still evolving, i'm sure it'll become a bit more succinct as time goes on. Or not. We'll see.

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@bronskibeat

Interesting.
However i dont see how one can make a logical connection between people who feel they are the wrong one of 2 physical genders, and people who feel they are on a spectrum of personality genders. Like gender nonconformists.

The term may be used as an umbrella by lay people vut the conditions and issues are completely unrelated!

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@Nemiroff

"Often shortened to trans. A term describing a person’s gender identity that does not necessarily match their assigned sex at birth. Transgender people may or may not decide to alter their bodies hormonally and/or surgically to match their gender identity. This word is also used as an umbrella term to describe groups of people who transcend conventional expectations of gender identity or expression—such groups include, but are not limited to, people who identify as transsexual, genderqueer, gender variant, gender diverse, and androgynous."https://pflag.org/glossary

"Trans, Trans*, or Transgender People: Most commonly used as an umbrella term for individuals whose gender identity and/or expression is different from the gender assigned to them at birth. Trans people include individuals who are transsexual, genderqueer, agender, androgyne, demigender, genderfluid"https://hr.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/trans%20terms.pdf

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@bronskibeat

Trans is just the "T" in LGTQ...
Queer has its own letter: "Q"
Trans stands exclusively for people feeling unease at their birth sex, seeking to become the other OF 2 GENDERS. To *TRANS*isition.
All 3rd gender issues are about as related to trans as a homosexuality. None of these issues are related in anyway besides joining up in an acronym.

Can you show any reference to trans including any of those other groups cause i think you are very mistaken.

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@Dynasty
@bronskibeat

Intersex is better described as a developmental abnormality rather than a birth defect.

The uncorrupted definition of gender is quite specific.

And dysphoria and trans are state's of mind rather than a states of gender.

So the proposition is basically correct.

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@bmdrocks21

I wish you had accepted the debate. Your "half-eaten gogurt tube" would have been a good argument.

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@Nemiroff

Transgender can be used as an umbrella term that encompasses nonbinary and gender queer folk. Also, nonbinary and genderqueer people can experience dysphoria. Not all, but many do. Dysphoria doesn't have to be about your sex. It can be for specific areas of the body like breasts, voice, and really whatever aspect of themselves a person doesn't feel is matching up with their preferred gender presentation. For example, you'll see some nonbinary/gender people may have their breasts removed as a result of dysphoria, but might not feel the need to make any other physical alterations like taking testosterone.

Its funny that most of you are talking primarily about trans, who btw agree there are only 2 genders... their just the wrong one. Lol

The 3rd gender issue is seperate, has nothing to do with a dysphoria, and is simply people who dont fit gender norms, but are perfectly fine with their birth sex.

This confusion is on both sides, the ignorant attackers and the blind defenders :p

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@bronskibeat

Intersex is a birth defect.

The op makes a debate about gender but talks almost exclusively about sex. Good luck.

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@PressF4Respect

yep

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@billbatard

Did you seriously post an online article 3 times and call it your opening argument?

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@bronskibeat

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/31/science_shows_sex_is_binary_not_a_spectrum_138506.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/31/science_shows_sex_is_binary_not_a_spectrum_138506.html

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@billbatard

I think you're forgetting the third: half-eaten gogurt tube.