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David Icke, due to his latest ramblings regarding the corona virus, has just confirmed himself as a lunatic


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My opponent can argue for Baked Beanz.

All i ask is errors when pointed out, but not acknowledged become construed as "lies".

Round 1
Hello to my opponent.

Let us begin by first establishing who David Icke is.

David Vaughan Icke born 29 April 1952) is an English conspiracy theorist,[1][2][3][4][5] author, public speaker, and former footballer and sports broadcaster.[6] He is the author of over 20 books and numerous DVDs and has lectured in over 25 countries.

David Icke was a spokesman for the "Green party" when he first got involved with Psychics and began to flirt with alternative medicine

Green Party, Betty Shine

David began wearing only "turquoise" shell suits for a period, due to the energy he had been channelling

Turquoise period
Icke then resigned from the green party, and held a press conference, announcing to the world that he is the "son of godhead".

Press conference

Later that week Icke was invited on to Wogan to break the news to the entire world

Wogan interview
David Icke then began using his automatic writing skills to write books, which include:

The Truth Vibrations.
The Robots' Rebellion
the Truth Shall Set You Free 
Icke then went on to lecture in 25 different countries throughout the world


Ickes theories include

Infinite dimensions
Reptoid hypothesis
Brotherhood aims and institutions
Red Dresses
Saturn–Moon Matrix
5G and Covid-19

Now nothing above makes David Icke a lunatic. He was treated very unfairly by a very unsympathetic Wogan audience which.........Wait a second......What did i just say there?

Really???????? 5G and Covid- 19

Well i must go on to youtube and visit mr Ickes youtube channel

Yes, i can see he is saying this. Has plenty videos on the subject

Let us see what is being said about this?

Coronavirus: Ofcom formally probes David Icke TV interview
London Live condemned for allowing David Icke to air 'lunatic conspiracy theories'
Coronavirus: David Icke's 'lunatic conspiracy theory' interview investigated by Ofcom
Coronavirus: YouTube tightens rules after David Icke 5G interview

Now, is there any grounds for sanity in his claims whatsoever?

Well let is look at some of the conspiracy theories revolvind around Covid-19

Chinese biological weapon
Spy operation
Population control scheme
Accidental leakage
Vaccine pre-existence
Cocaine cure
Vegetarian immunity

Now David Icke has chosen to jump on the 5G conspiracy theory.

So let us take a look at this particular theory.

In February 2020, BBC reported that conspiracy theorists on social media groups alleged a link between coronavirus and 5G mobile networks, claiming that Wuhan and Diamond Princess outbreaks were directly caused by electromagnetic fields and the introduction of 5G and wireless technologies. Some conspiracy theorists also alleged that the coronavirus outbreak was cover-up for a 5G-related illness.

This theory was supported by, not only David Icke.

In March 2020, Thomas Cowan, a holistic medical practitioner who trained as a physician and operates on probation with Medical Board of California, alleged that coronavirus is caused by 5G, based on the claims that African countries were not affected significantly by the pandemic and Africa was not a 5G region.

This mans claims were endorsed by a "singer".

 both the claims and the video, which were endorsed by singer Keri Hilson, were criticized on social media and debunked by Reuters,] USA TodayFull Fact  and American Public Health Association executive director Georges C. Benjamin.

Workers from 5G are now being abused by believers in this conspiracy theory.

A widely circulated video shows people working for broadband company Community Fibre being abused by a woman who accuses them of installing 5G as part of a plan to kill the population

Activists have taken to "torching" telephone masts

After telecommunications masts in several parts of the United Kingdom were torched, British Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove said the theory that COVID-19 virus may be spread by 5G wireless communication is "just nonsense, dangerous nonsense as well." Vodafone announced that two Vodafone masts and two it shares with O2 had been targeted.
Yet, the lunacy of this, is that many of the masts destroyed, were only 3G and 4G masts.

By April 6, 2020 at least 20 mobile phone masts in the UK had been vandalised since the previous Thursday. Because of slow rollout of 5G in the UK, many of the damaged masts had only 3G and 4G equipment.

And David Icke is a well established proponent of this theory

The discredited theories had been promoted, among others, by David Icke in videos (subsequently removed) on YouTube and Vimeo, and an interview by London Live TV network, prompting calls for action by Ofcom.

David Icke needs to be certified a "lunatic" for his own safety.
Or he could end up being regarded as a person encouraging "hate crime".

David Icke needs to be regarded a "Lunatic", because he is a "threat" to our freedoms of speech.

YouTube announced that it would reduce the amount of content claiming links between 5G and coronavirus. Videos that are conspiratorial about 5G that do not mention coronavirus would not be removed, though they might be considered "borderline content", removed from search recommendations and losing advertising revenue.

Quite simply, David Ickes abuse of freedom of speech, could see us "all" be denied our rights.
We must show we have the ability to spot lunacy when we see it, in order to prove we "do not" require people becoming censored.

Now, are any of his claims based upon reality?

For this, i hand you over to Mick West. (I deleted his explanation, as before publishing, i quickly googled "are youtube comments copyrighted"? and i was surprised to find out the answer is yes. So i am only able to leave some click bait. However you will find Mick Wests answer in full, in his description underneath his video)

Let's start at the starting point, Wuhan, in Hubei province in China. There's a huge difference between Hubei and the rest of China with Coronavirus. Is this reflected in 5G coverage? No, in fact, there's plenty of other provinces and cites with similar or higher deployments of 5G, and hardly any COVID-19. So no correlation there.

Who is Mick West?

Mick West is a science writer, skeptical investigator, and retired video game programmer. He is the creator of the websites Contrail Science and Metabunk, for which he investigates and debunks pseudoscientific claims such as chemtrailsUFOs, and conspiracy theories, and has appeared in various media as an expert analyst and science communicator.

So, David Icke must now be regarded as a Lunatic, for his own good, our good, and our battle against censorship and threat to freedom of speech
Round 2
Round 3
The Kritik I will run is that he hasn't just confirmed himself as a lunatic, he already confirmed that a while ago. Additionally, alongside that Kritik I will run a further Kritik in that the very censorship and alienation of him in the media and on platforms like YT is precisely what he said would be done by the Elite in order to silence him.

I am neither confirming or denying his allegations, I am saying that there's 2 core ways this plays out. If his insane theories (such as flat earth and use being rules by reptilian overlords) confirm him as a lunatic, he was already on that path many years ago:

This guy has not just confirmed himself as a lunatic, he either already has or has finally been proven correct somewhat. Either way, I win.

Definition of just (Entry 2 of 3)
1bvery recently
"the bell just rang"

now, very soon, or very recently
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