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David Icke, due to his latest ramblings regarding the corona virus, has just confirmed himself as a lunatic

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Publication date: 04.12.2020 09:49PM
Last updated date: 08.06.2020 07:32PM
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Number of rounds: 5
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RationalMadman

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My opponent can argue for Baked Beanz.

All i ask is errors when pointed out, but not acknowledged become construed as "lies".

Round 1

Nevets

04.13.2020 04:35PM

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Hello to my opponent.

Let us begin by first establishing who David Icke is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

David Vaughan Icke born 29 April 1952) is an English conspiracy theorist,[1][2][3][4][5] author, public speaker, and former footballer and sports broadcaster.[6] He is the author of over 20 books and numerous DVDs and has lectured in over 25 countries.

David Icke was a spokesman for the "Green party" when he first got involved with Psychics and began to flirt with alternative medicine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Green_Party,_Betty_Shine

Green Party, Betty Shine

David began wearing only "turquoise" shell suits for a period, due to the energy he had been channelling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Turquoise_period

Turquoise period

Icke then resigned from the green party, and held a press conference, announcing to the world that he is the "son of godhead".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Press_conference

Press conference

Later that week Icke was invited on to Wogan to break the news to the entire world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Wogan_interview

Wogan interview

David Icke then began using his automatic writing skills to write books, which include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Publishing

The Truth Vibrations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Publishing

The Robots' Rebellion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Self-publishing

the Truth Shall Set You Free

Icke then went on to lecture in 25 different countries throughout the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Lecturing

Lecturing

Ickes theories include

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Infinite_dimensions

Infinite dimensions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Reptoid_hypothesis

Reptoid hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Reptoid_hypothesis

New World Order (conspiracy theory)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Brotherhood_aims_and_institutions

Brotherhood aims and institutions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Problem%E2%80%93reaction%E2%80%93solution

Problem–reaction–solution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Red_Dresses

Red Dresses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Saturn%E2%80%93Moon_Matrix

Saturn–Moon Matrix

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#5G_and_Covid-19

5G and Covid-19

Now nothing above makes David Icke a lunatic. He was treated very unfairly by a very unsympathetic Wogan audience which.........Wait a second......What did i just say there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#5G_and_Covid-19
5G and Covid-19

Really???????? 5G and Covid- 19

Well i must go on to youtube and visit mr Ickes youtube channel

Yes, i can see he is saying this. Has plenty videos on the subject

https://www.youtube.com/user/davidicke/videos

Let us see what is being said about this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52228046

Coronavirus: Ofcom formally probes David Icke TV interview

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/london-live-condemned-for-allowing-david-icke-to-air-lunatic-conspiracy-theories-1.498968

London Live condemned for allowing David Icke to air 'lunatic conspiracy theories'

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-david-ickes-lunatic-conspiracy-theory-interview-investigated-by-ofcom-11971203

Coronavirus: David Icke's 'lunatic conspiracy theory' interview investigated by Ofcom

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52198946

Coronavirus: YouTube tightens rules after David Icke 5G interview

Now, is there any grounds for sanity in his claims whatsoever?

Well let is look at some of the conspiracy theories revolvind around Covid-19

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Chinese_biological_weapon

Chinese biological weapon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Spy_operation

Spy operation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Population_control_scheme

Population control scheme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Accidental_leakage

Accidental leakage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Vaccine_pre-existence

Vaccine pre-existence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Cocaine_cure

Cocaine cure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Vegetarian_immunity

Vegetarian immunity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Methanol

Methanol

Now David Icke has chosen to jump on the 5G conspiracy theory.

So let us take a look at this particular theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

In February 2020, BBC reported that conspiracy theorists on social media groups alleged a link between coronavirus and 5G mobile networks, claiming that Wuhan and Diamond Princess outbreaks were directly caused by electromagnetic fields and the introduction of 5G and wireless technologies. Some conspiracy theorists also alleged that the coronavirus outbreak was cover-up for a 5G-related illness.

This theory was supported by, not only David Icke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

In March 2020, Thomas Cowan, a holistic medical practitioner who trained as a physician and operates on probation with Medical Board of California, alleged that coronavirus is caused by 5G, based on the claims that African countries were not affected significantly by the pandemic and Africa was not a 5G region.

This mans claims were endorsed by a "singer".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

both the claims and the video, which were endorsed by singer Keri Hilson, were criticized on social media and debunked by Reuters,] USA Today, Full Fact and American Public Health Association executive director Georges C. Benjamin.

Workers from 5G are now being abused by believers in this conspiracy theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

A widely circulated video shows people working for broadband company Community Fibre being abused by a woman who accuses them of installing 5G as part of a plan to kill the population

Activists have taken to "torching" telephone masts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

After telecommunications masts in several parts of the United Kingdom were torched, British Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove said the theory that COVID-19 virus may be spread by 5G wireless communication is "just nonsense, dangerous nonsense as well." Vodafone announced that two Vodafone masts and two it shares with O2 had been targeted.

Yet, the lunacy of this, is that many of the masts destroyed, were only 3G and 4G masts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

By April 6, 2020 at least 20 mobile phone masts in the UK had been vandalised since the previous Thursday. Because of slow rollout of 5G in the UK, many of the damaged masts had only 3G and 4G equipment.

And David Icke is a well established proponent of this theory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

The discredited theories had been promoted, among others, by David Icke in videos (subsequently removed) on YouTube and Vimeo, and an interview by London Live TV network, prompting calls for action by Ofcom.

David Icke needs to be certified a "lunatic" for his own safety.

Or he could end up being regarded as a person encouraging "hate crime".

David Icke needs to be regarded a "Lunatic", because he is a "threat" to our freedoms of speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#5G

YouTube announced that it would reduce the amount of content claiming links between 5G and coronavirus. Videos that are conspiratorial about 5G that do not mention coronavirus would not be removed, though they might be considered "borderline content", removed from search recommendations and losing advertising revenue.

Quite simply, David Ickes abuse of freedom of speech, could see us "all" be denied our rights.

We must show we have the ability to spot lunacy when we see it, in order to prove we "do not" require people becoming censored.

Now, are any of his claims based upon reality?

For this, i hand you over to Mick West. (I deleted his explanation, as before publishing, i quickly googled "are youtube comments copyrighted"? and i was surprised to find out the answer is yes. So i am only able to leave some click bait. However you will find Mick Wests answer in full, in his description underneath his video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e0SP53tCqw&t=4s

Let's start at the starting point, Wuhan, in Hubei province in China. There's a huge difference between Hubei and the rest of China with Coronavirus. Is this reflected in 5G coverage? No, in fact, there's plenty of other provinces and cites with similar or higher deployments of 5G, and hardly any COVID-19. So no correlation there.

Who is Mick West?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_West

Mick West is a science writer, skeptical investigator, and retired video game programmer. He is the creator of the websites Contrail Science and Metabunk, for which he investigates and debunks pseudoscientific claims such as chemtrails, UFOs, and conspiracy theories, and has appeared in various media as an expert analyst and science communicator.

So, David Icke must now be regarded as a Lunatic, for his own good, our good, and our battle against censorship and threat to freedom of speech

RationalMadman

04.27.2020 04:35PM

Con

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Round 2

Nevets

05.11.2020 04:35PM

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RationalMadman

05.25.2020 04:35PM

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Round 3

Nevets

06.08.2020 04:35PM

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RationalMadman

06.08.2020 05:54PM

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The Kritik I will run is that he hasn't just confirmed himself as a lunatic, he already confirmed that a while ago. Additionally, alongside that Kritik I will run a further Kritik in that the very censorship and alienation of him in the media and on platforms like YT is precisely what he said would be done by the Elite in order to silence him.

I am neither confirming or denying his allegations, I am saying that there's 2 core ways this plays out. If his insane theories (such as flat earth and use being rules by reptilian overlords) confirm him as a lunatic, he was already on that path many years ago:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/12/20/18146628/alice-walker-david-icke-anti-semitic-new-york-times

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Truth-Vibrations-Celebrity-Exploration-Revelations-ebook/dp/B00KKP7DSW

This guy has not just confirmed himself as a lunatic, he either already has or has finally been proven correct somewhat. Either way, I win.

Definition of just (Entry 2 of 3)
1b: very recently
"the bell just rang"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/just

now, very soon, or very recently

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/just

Round 4

Nevets

06.22.2020 05:54PM

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Forfeited

RationalMadman

06.23.2020 07:13PM

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Round 5

Nevets

07.07.2020 07:13PM

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RationalMadman

07.07.2020 07:32PM

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Know your place

Melcharaz

05.12.2020 10:45PM

Might as well delete debate. He left. No points will be proven

Discipulus_Didicit

05.12.2020 06:10PM

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@Nevets

Wish I had noticed this debate when it was opened. Easy win for con by pointing out that David couldn't possibly have JUST confirmed himself as a lunatic seeing as how he has in fact solidly done so years ago already.

ramdatt

04.13.2020 04:55PM

David Icke is being considered for a new cabinet post in the White House...

Secretary of Conspiracy Theories!

Phenenas

04.13.2020 08:03AM

This is the man who thinks that shapeshifting interdimensional reptilians are controlling the government. I think his lunacy has been confirmed long ago.

Username

07.31.2020 10:18PM

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PressF4Respect

07.08.2020 02:09AM

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Fawful Falafel. Pro had two whole rounds to respond to con or extend his R1 contentions, to which he did neither.

Trent0405

07.08.2020 01:16AM

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fauxlaw

07.08.2020 01:09AM

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Barney

07.07.2020 08:14PM

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