Instigator / Pro
25
1470
rating
50
debates
40.0%
won
Topic
#1991

Should we be allowed to instigate as Con?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
6
Better sources
8
8
Better legibility
4
4
Better conduct
4
0

After 4 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

User_2006
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
7,500
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
18
1432
rating
11
debates
22.73%
won
Description

My opponent has posted a comment that we should, not ever, instigate as CON. I am here to oppose her idea.

I'm just going to say this here, and not make it part of my vote verbiage, but I've come to believe a debate posed by using an interrogative is not the best form. I've done it myself, so I'm not throwing stones, other than at me. For example: https://www.debateart.com/debates/1805/are-democrats-tired-of-losing-against-trump
So, avoiding that bad form, I'll vote...

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@K_Michael

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>Reported Vote:K_Michael // Mod action: [Not Removed]

>Points Awarded: 3 points to Con, 1 point to Pro.

>Reason for Decision:
"The argument made by Con is pretty simple. That X is allowed does not make it follow that X should be allowed. The justification in the second round is flimsy. Even if you presume that everything is allowed for a well thought out reason doesn't mean that the reason is good. Hitler had thought-out reasons for every law passed that persecuted Jews, gays, etc. This doesn't make it right. This is essentially the point that Con made in R1, and it preempted the R2 rebuttal by Pro. Arguments to Con.
Although I think 2 rounds is ridiculous, Con did forfeit half the rounds. Conduct to Pro."

>Reason for Mod Action: While the voter did cast his vote for the side that forfeited, he has met the requirements of the Voting Policy. Therefore, this vote does not merit removal.
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Going to have to step it up pro. Con is right, "we are currently able to therefore we ought to be able to" is pretty weak...