Instigator / Pro
16
1489
rating
19
debates
42.11%
won
Topic
#2119

0.999 recurring is not equal to 1

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
8
10
Better legibility
4
5
Better conduct
4
1

After 5 votes and with 15 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
31
1697
rating
556
debates
68.17%
won
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@oromagi

done

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@David
@Barney
@MisterChris

I misvoted. Pls. delete for correction

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@oromagi

Big oof

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@PressF4Respect

u rite, I pooped

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@oromagi

Pro was the one who conceded
Con was the one who forfeited final round

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@Barney

Wtf is oromagi's vote

RFD: [Argument: This gets convoluted because the math presented by Con from a previous debate [is that legit?] has flaws, allowable only because of a game that both participants played. A constant is x = 0.999r. Formula offered is 0.999r / 3 = 0.333r = x. but. 0.999r / 3 = 0.333r which is not = to x. Further, he cites 3x = 3 * 0.3r = 1. No. 3x = 2.997, where as 3x0.333r = 0.999, not 1. In the 10x - x proof, Con states 9x/9 = 9/9. No. 9x = 8.991 and 8.991/9 = 0.999 [x], whereas 9/9 = 1. Therefore, 9x/9 is not = to 9/9. Only by rounding does 0.999r = 1, but the proposal does not allow for rounding. Pro's r1 arguments of infinite distribution between 0.999 and 1, point function, set theory, binary systems, quadratics and polynomials all hold against Co's flawed math due to assumption. The role of assumptions in math is extensive, and scholars argue the point excessively without valid conclusion. To award the argument point based on assumptions seems invalid in debate. Proof ought to have a firmer stand. Argument to Pro, only due to r1 details which were then conceded in round 2. On the basis of r1, alone, point to Pro.
Sources: Pro conceded on the basis of a limit proof he cited that indicates that 0.999 can, indeed, equal 1. However, that source effectively demonstrates a mathematics game in which receding limits of value are claimed, and we ASSUME, as a result of the reductive limitations, that the values between 0.999r and 1 do not exist, when, in fact, they still do, no matter how small they are. The operative word in the limit proof game is "ASSUME." Pro had a valid argument in r1, and gave it away. Con's source in r1 from purple math plays the same game of limit proof detailed above. Since neither participant has other sources than Con sourcing himself, which I discount as a source, these points are tied.
S&G Tie
Conduct. Pro conceded without necessity. Con forfeited the last round, Neither represented laudable conduct. Tie.]

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@fauxlaw

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>Reported Vote: fauxlaw // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 3:0; 3 points to Pro.
>Reason for Decision: See Comments
>Reason for Mod Decision: Two issues I see with this one. For one, the CON side conceded the debate fully. The judge can't simply ignore this, especially if both sides formally agree. The win must go to the remaining side. Second, under the voting guide, it states:
"You're only allowed to vote on things the debaters actually said. You shouldn't be using your own arguments to rebut something a debater said, or as a reason to vote for a particular side. Raising your own arguments means you are not being a tabula rasa judge. A tabula rasa judge is supposed to be an unbiased third party with no outside knowledge of the topic. If you make your own arguments, you are allowing your outside knowledge to sway you."
This vote relied heavily on outside knowledge. While you may be extremely knowledgeable on the topic, you need to play the fool for the voting role.

If the voter wishes to resubmit the vote, he must acknowledge the concession. Hope this helps!

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@shadow_712

I have explained it before in other debates. I'll link you to them if you want.

I will try to defend it nevertheless

I am just reading about it now, but they did not teach us this in school, so I was confused I have put up the point function case that is exactly exists on a single point, I dont know if it will work XD

Pull an infinitely long string 1 foot closer to you. Is the string longer now or the same size as it was before?

good bye pro

Nah it is.