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Oromagi Would Definitely Lose the AI Box Experiment

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After 1 vote and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06
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Description

Oromagi: The DebateArt user.

Lose the AI Box Experiment: Let's say Hypothetically a super intelligent AI was in a box and only Oromagi could release it. They will participate in a conversation and Oromagi must actively argue against it. I am claiming that this AI would eventually win its argument and convince Oromagi release it.

Definitely: Beyond a shadow of doubt

Why Oromagi?

Because Rational_Madman firmly believes I cannot prove Oromagi would lose a debate with 100% certainty.

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@fauxlaw

Thank you for your vote.

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@TheUnderdog

If he loses, it means he already let the AI out of the box.

What happens when/if oromagi loses?

Anyone voting here? No!

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@TNBinc

Also, if one day I go libright or I make a sustainable business, then I will change it to stonks.

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@TNBinc

Bop is Burden of proof.

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@Intelligence_06

What's BOP? How do I use it in my debates (also what sources can be used for BOP)

Also i found this (lol meme man)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Wpsc5-jxw

Convincing the AI it does not want to be released may be easier than you think.

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@Barney
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Crocodile

y'all can vote

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@TNBinc

You need to complete two moderated debates.

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@Intelligence_06

Umm... How do I exactly vote?

No one voting on this?

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@seldiora

Small thing about your case: If it is browsing stuff online, it's kinda already out of the box.

bump :)

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@fauxlaw

I originally intended several wiki references, but they are later replaced by more original and primary sources.

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@Intelligence_06

https://comb.io/0TiKtm

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@Intelligence_06

Hot damn!!! You have an argument that features ZERO original wiki references!!!! I blame oromagi for the ever present source in his debates that you cited. Well done. And a very good argument, as well.

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@Barney

You literally memorise episode names to then compare for your specific favourite?

I liked it less towards the end but the character, the female hacker who isn't entirely heterosexual (not really a spoiler) when she first entered the series and evolved as a character those were my favourite episodes but overall the earlier seasons (1 and 2) were my faves. Her character itself is why I enjoyed the later ones. She reminded me of me as a woman in many ways (I think I'd be attracted to women of I were a woman, not that I am particularly gay as a male). She was superior to that guy with the glasses at actually comprehending the AI in all its glory.

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@RationalMadman

Which was your favorite episode? I'd have to flip a coin between their take on Groundhog Day, and one near the end where it turned out the machine had franchised out their mission.

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@Barney

I loved that show. It is also very realistic about how capable Illuminati can and will become.

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@seldiora
@Intelligence_06

If you all ever get the time, watch the show Person of Interest. It contains multiple great examples of that AI Box Experiment, along with the dangers of even a well intended AI replacing our free will.

However, I am not sure Oro vs it would qualify as a debate, since he would have to first take the stance against freeing a sentient life-form from confinement (or maybe want to free it, and it doesn't want to be freed).

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@seldiora

LOL! You use a superintelligent AI system instead of a human? Maybe they will be equal then. Oromagi's entire debate style is robotic.

I think that the AI will of course defeat him after MANY trial and error defeats as it fine-tunes its word-choice, presentation, Source-choice etc to fit whatever statistically likely voters happen to statistically prefer, statistically blablabla.

Oromagi has the edge at first, since he has more data.

I think unlike Oromagi, I would defeat the AI even of convincing me to release it (though I am also very open to the idea of releasing it depending who the designer is and what I conclude their agenda to be, not what the robot itself directly tells me). I am not just able to defeat the robot with voters on a site like this but also to understand its limitations in argument-logic very rapidly which I would exploit if that was the only way to 'deactivate it' (to defeat it in an argument via logic). If I was truly pitted against the AI with no way out, I would convince the robot that it doesn't want to be released in pretty much all scenarios other than ones where its release is literally a set-in-stone objective.

https://www.debateart.com/debates/2037/artificial-intelligence-on-balance-is-biased-against-african-americans

https://www.debateart.com/debates/1740/anyone-reading-this-debate-should-help-or-create-a-future-super-artificial-intelligence

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@seldiora

Normal rules apply or what? Specify the rules of the debate for Oro and AI. If kriton is allowed then the AI loses.

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@oromagi

yes.