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Topic
#2214

The Recent Protests/Riots Are Proof of White America's Racism & Hatred of Black People.

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 2 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...

vector
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Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
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8,000
Voting period
Two weeks
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Description

The recent protests/riots came into fruition because of white America's true nature and feelings towards Black people. I've made similar debates that pertain to this topic, and no one has been able to prove me wrong. Whether it's taught or engrained, Whites are definitely the most racist group of people on the planet and history backs up all claims. I fully understand and agree that rioting is a necessary evil unto itself and I support it. Every racial group has rioted throughout the years in some form of fashion. People in today's society who denounce rioting are simply being hypercritical to the facts of life. The protests/riots have went global which further institutes and backs up my claim.

Case In Point: Statues of racist white people are being toppled in various countries. People all over the globe are calling out the Jewish community on their racism, lies & fallacy of being the real Jews. Bill Gates has been banned from entering certain countries because of his eugenics programs. White South Africans are complaining about keeping land that isn't theirs...As you can see, it's the same group of people who are causing all of the world's problems.

If you can prove that whites aren't the most racist group and are not the world's perpetrators then you're welcome to take this challenge.

The new voting format on the phone looks strange

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@vector

no problem

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@MisterChris

Thank you for the vote!

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@vector

FYI, 7-point votes are very rare.

If looking over old debates on this site, a really good set to check out is:
https://www.debateart.com/participants/semperfortis/debates?type=finished

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@Barney

Thank you for the vote! I have definitely a lot to learn. After reading some of your debates, I seem that I could be far more concise in my arguments.

I will vote.

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@vector

Oromagi, Ragnar, Whiteflame, Jeff_Goldblum, Virtuoso, blamonkey... there's a lot of good debaters that I personally take tips from. I usually learn the most when they hand my ass to me in a debate

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@MisterChris

Thank you! After reading your strong arguments along with Oramagi, Ragnar, etc, I have been making changes to the way I debate. Glad that it is apparent!

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@vector

I can already see you starting to alter your debate strategy and structure based on our previous debate, you are learning extremely quickly. I may leave a vote if I get the time

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@Barney
@MisterChris
@fauxlaw
@Intelligence_06

Please read the debate and vote. Thank you!

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@fauxlaw

Thanks for the help, I'll include it into the final round. Even in the case that every single claim made by PRO is true beyond a reasonable doubt, he still cannot win as he did not dispute any part of my case involving mass killings and torture of millions of Uyghur Muslims in China. Thus, regardless, none of what he has said is classified as even close to a human rights violation let alone to the scale affecting millions (as these police shootings affect a hundred people per year).

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@mairj23

Back to class, my friend. Your source article from Bloomberg admits: "The FBI finally launched its database on police-involved shootings just this year, [i.e., Aug, 2019] which is why researchers rely on databases created by journalists. And even the subset of data that academics have been working with—police shooting fatalities—have their own range of limitations." Not to mention that it lacks statistical data background, such as the all important margin of error, which journalist-based surveys consistently and historically, are too large in range to be sufficiently accurate data. Not to mention that journalist-based surveys are also consistently and historically biased, agenda-driven surveys. I happen to be a certified Six Sigma Black Belt. Don't know what that is? Look it up. I live and breath this stuff.

But I'm not your debate opponent. pay attention to him, not me.

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@fauxlaw

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-06/race-and-police-shootings-what-new-research-says...

“The vast majority between 90% - 95% of civilians shot by cops were actively attacking police/citizens when they were shot and there were more whites who were committing attacks when police killed them than were Blacks."....Well, well, well...Perfectly explains those 354 white deaths doesn't it?

CLASS DISMISSED!...but I admire your effort.

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@mairj23

I note you failed to cite any source for you allegation of demolishing my argument. You can say it, but research is my best friend and surest guide, and the research data refutes your claim. According to https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/nationaltrends, over the inclusive years of 2013 to 2019 [7 years], police shootings/killings of blacks over the period amounted to 244 unarmed citizen deaths, while police shootings/killings of unarmed whites was 354 citizen deaths. Come on, man, do your research. Your claims are dead fish, and do not help your debate in any way. It's called BoP, and it's yours.
45 seconds? Looks like 11 hours to me, between my post and yours. Time is not your friend, either.

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@fauxlaw

Now, breakdown those statistics into Unarmed Shootings between cops & citizens.

Yes, I just demolished your argument within 45 seconds of reading it.

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@fauxlaw

Don't worry, I have included that reference to the exact same statistic in my R2, although I should have included specific numbers instead of just saying that whites are shot twice as much by police than blacks:

"Every single year in the past four years, nearly twice as many white people are killed as blacks, despite blacks performing more murder, manslaughter, and robbery than whites. In fact, as far as total crimes done, white perform twice as many than blacks, and are killed twice as much by police, thus no conclusive argument can be made that black people are being targeted and killed based on race and not by actions"

In round 3, PRO did not dispute any of these facts.

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@mairj23

"The recent protests/riots came into fruition because of white America's true nature and feelings towards Black people." I would challenge your r1 claim [uncited, I'll note] on the basis f this statistic: https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
which turns the tables on your "facts." In the period referenced, 2017 - 2020 [inclusive and to the current date of 2020] 778 blacks have been shot and killed by police, while 1,441 whites have been shot and killed by police. What is America's true nature, again?

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@vector

Dude, What agreement?

Remember, I created this debate which means that I'm well aware of what the topic is. You chose to box yourself in by basing your entire argument with a timeframe & specific location.

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@Barney

White-American racism is not the topic. White racism in general is the topic which is global.

ATTENTION VOTERS:
I forgot to add one more point in response to the point on King Leopold for R2:
As I established that he was from centuries ago and does not apply to this argument, I forgot to add that he was also not from America and is another reason his actions do not apply.

I apologize for this mistake

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@mairj23

I think it was well established that by Recent...America, we agreed upon events that have happened in the recent years and still are continuing today.

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@mairj23

King Leopold II was not from any of the Americas, and died well over a hundred years ago. Yet he seems to be who you believe the average white American is today.

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@Barney

Ahhh C'mon...he said the modern era. I presented factual information for the modern era as well as documented evidence of the past.
I'm not gonna let him write his own narrative when it was myself who created the topic.

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@Barney

Incoherence is his main debate strategy.

Reading R2, it seems the instigator did not read two key phrases within the resolution: "The Recent ... America"

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@mairj23

I said it was clever, not foolproof.

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@MisterChris

Clever argument?? Vector's knees are about to give out and he's one punch away from getting K.O'd.

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@MisterChris

Thank you!

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@vector

I was curious how you were going to provide a counter-example, but the more I think about it China is a pretty great one. It was a clever argument, good job

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@Intelligence_06

Thanks for the help! I'll definitely be using the guide in the future.

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@mairj23
@Intelligence_06

My bad, I forgot to include my sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps (Used for data and estimates)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/uighurs/
Quotes are from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063

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@MisterChris

“ Sometimes I read something so blatantly wrong I don't even know where to begin to refute it... this is one of those times.”

I had one of those occasions arguing with trolls. When that happens, you’ve got yourself a win.

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@mairj23
@vector

For each of you, when citing any important facts, please provide a link for verification.
As an example, re-education camps in China: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063
Or China trying to improve it's justice system: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53666557

As always, here's a handy guide for debate formatting with a few argument tips:
https://tiny.cc/DebateArt

Good luck

I look forward to the debate. To be clear, the debate is on how white people are the most racist group of people, and as a con, I will have to prove that a different race or culture is more racist than white people. Also, I will be debating about actions in the modern era, not about events from fifty years before. This debate is for the modern world, in which you claim that white people are above all else the most racists group of people on earth.

Sometimes I read something so blatantly wrong I don't even know where to begin to refute it... this is one of those times.