God is not necessary for objective morality
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I, Jarrett_Ludolph, will be supporting the position that God is not necessary for objective morality, while my opponent will be supporting the position that God is necessary for objective morality. the winner will be the debater who supports their position the best. Note that we are not debating whether God is necessary morality itself, (for example, subjective morality can exist without objective morality),or if you need to be religious to be a good person. I look forward to a good debate.
- A man died from a broken heart after his wife died. This is proof of a soul
Losing a loved one really can cause someone to die from a broken heart, scientists claim.
- A man lifted a 3000 pound car off a small child. Through the power of love. He became superman and lifted a 3000-pound car This is proof of a soul
- He lifted 2000 pounds more then what the strongest man on earth could through the power of love.
"As I write in the story, Boyle accomplished an almost unthinkablefeat of strength. The world record for dead-lifting a barbell is 1,003pounds. A stock Camaro weighs 3000 pounds. So how did Boyle pull it off?"
- A bunch of babies died from lack of love. They were fed and watered and medicated. But because they lacked love they died. This is proof of a soul
Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.
Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People, Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.
lso, I will be giving a main argument against my opponent's position. The argument is called the the Euthyphro Dilemma, and it is as follows:is something good because God wills it?does God wills it, because it is good?if something is good because God wills it, then some very problematic things are evident:1- the problem of arbitrariness - there is no standard, God makes something good on a whim, should we really listen to such a God?
he problem of triviality - such commands would use circular reasoning, what is good? what God says? but what does God say? what is good. circular reasoning is bad reasoning3- the problem of abhorrent commands - if God said murder was right, that would make it right, on Divine Command Theory. but murder is clearly wrong. God could allow alot of bad things to be good, if he only choose differently.
if God wills something because it is good, then God would get his morality from another source other than is own, and we could just cut out the divine middle man.
It comes from a comment on the article:
You cannot repay evil with evil.
Also, hell is infinite toture for finite sin, it's overkill, to much punishment. If I disobey God, I go to hell, and you think it's okay. However, if I disobeyed my father, and he burned me for it, you (assumeingly) think it's abhorrent, however being burnt to death is no where near the torture God gives to humans when they disobey him. It's not that I don't like it, it's because it's a violation of human rights.
Also, another comment built on this, saying that since he only lifted the back tires, he wouldn't be lifting 3,000 pounds
Even though you see it as supernatural, the articles never use the words: soul, supernatural, or God.
honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), “that it may go well with ... “And if you faithfully obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all his ... and the fruit of your cattle, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock.
1 Kings 3:14 ESV / 8 helpful votes
And if you will walk in my ways, keeping my statutes and my commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.”
Proverbs 10:27 ESV / 8 helpful votes
The fear of the Lord prolongs life, but the years of the wicked will be short.
Can telling lies shorten your life?
This has nothing to do with god being necessary for morality. But more i do not like god morality."With all do respect, if you knew what the Euthyphro Dilemma was, you wouldn't have said that. It's not "I do not like God's morality" it's "God's morality seems fundamentally flawed"I have a couple of objections here. Firstly, I against the deaths sentence, so that argument doesn't work for me. Just because someone killed someone else, that doesn't mean you kill him back I'm not for "an eye for an eye" morality. To quote Mahatma Gandhi: "An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind"You cannot repay evil with evil.Also, hell is infinite toture for finite sin, it's overkill, to much punishment. If I disobey God, I go to hell, and you think it's okay. However, if I disobeyed my father, and he burned me for it, you (assumeingly) think it's abhorrent, however being burnt to death is no where near the torture God gives to humans when they disobey him. It's not that I don't like it, it's because it's a violation of human rights.
Why can God create morals and we can't?
Again, I'm not against punishment, it's that it's not much punishment. It's overkill. Enteral torture is to much punishment. I I stole something, the punishment by the government is not to burn him forever, it's to send him for jail for a finite time. Again, punishment is necessary, however, enteral punishment is too much. Again, it's like a father burning their child to death for disobedience. Disobedience must be punished, however, burning someone is not the way to do it.