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#2348

God is not necessary for objective morality

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Jarrett_Ludolph
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I, Jarrett_Ludolph, will be supporting the position that God is not necessary for objective morality, while my opponent will be supporting the position that God is necessary for objective morality. the winner will be the debater who supports their position the best. Note that we are not debating whether God is necessary morality itself, (for example, subjective morality can exist without objective morality),or if you need to be religious to be a good person. I look forward to a good debate.

everyone cast your votes (as of the writing of this comment, you only have 1 day left). Ragnar, thankyou for voting and thankyou for your advice

"Divine Command Theory does not make Mario’s behavior ethical, as it is merely denying his own autonomy. If he has no control over his own actions, it begs the question if we do as well, and if we don’t there is no reason we should consider not judging him as we might be being commanded to do so and have no choice but judge him as such. Whereas if it is just him being controlled, than attempting to pass all blame for what he did to some great god commanding him from above as if a child playing a video game, would only in the smallest sense excuse his actions, while dooming him for the safety of all. This is much like not blaming a rabid dog, even while it must be put down. From either viewpoint, we should judge Mario, and take measures against him to protect ourselves from him."

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@Jarrett_Ludolph

The biggest weakness to your case was taking the pills and going down the rabbit hole. Your case centered on Utilitarianism, and you let con steer the debate way off topic (thankfully, your introduction was good enough to win the day; that said, I've seen voters who would treat the point as gone because you did not continuously extend it).

Leave your votes please

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@Sum1hugme

Oh, okay.

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@Jarrett_Ludolph

I mean it's hard to read all the way though crossed's arguments

What do you mean by this is rough Sum1hugme?

Oh man, this is rough

I lose a few brain cells every time I read crossed arguments

I needed to cut 700 words from my second argument, to make it under 10,000 words so I can publish it. LOL.

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@MisterChris

you are right.

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@Intelligence_06

History is whatever we make of it. Tell me, is there anything policing historical fact from fiction? How can we be sure anyone said anything we attribute to them? We can make educated assumptions, sure... But in the end, if I want to say Aristotle said "your momma so fat she pulled Jupiter into orbit," can anyone really prove me wrong? Sure, the BoP should be on me, but that does not falsify my claim.

Vsauce video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2jkV4BsN6U

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@Intelligence_06

Aristhotle said anything you want him to say. All you have to do is add quotes and - Aristhotle at the end.

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@MisterChris

I mean it does sound like a internet username. It also got the snapchat filter. I know lots of people who says things that are basically nonsense branded as meaningful quotes on social media.

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@Intelligence_06

yes

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@MisterChris

So this supposed "aristhotle" said this quote that isn't even logically proven?

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@Intelligence_06

https://pics.me.me/aristotle-aristhotle-me-irl-31556138.png

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@MisterChris

How is this relevant and at where did Aristotle say it? If no, is it a joke of some kind?

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@Intelligence_06

"If in doubt, don't masturbate, take."

- Aristotle

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@crossed

Alright. I just drafted my introduction for this debate with sources. Then someone took it then complained. WOW.

It's going to kill me to find the time to write this

Agreed

Looks like this is the same decision I faced against CalebEr.

Ooo! Good topic. Welcome to the site