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Present proof that Donald J. Trump is a "racist".

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With 4 votes and 22 points ahead, the winner is ...

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

I continue to see this over and over again about somebody being "racist".
Well tell me how this person is being such?

Can you do it in 3 rounds or will it take 10?

If you need 15, I'll talk to Mr. Trump about legislating this website to increase its capacity for possibly stigmatizing him.

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Round 1
Con
Please show directly from your explanation in plenty of context that the individual is admitting to "racism".

Please have it so that we see that the POTUS is not for pure american nationalism.


Pro
Preamble:
I shall prove my case on one front, which shall be given its own section below
  1. Acting Racist

Burden of Proof
The resolution means I must present evidence of Donald Trump engaging in racism. There is no real counter here, as evidence is presented or not.

I shall not seek to prove that Donald Trump is Literally Hitler, as someone may be racist, without being Literally Hitler or whatever other special pleading con may attempt.

Definitions
The description lacked certain key definitions, so to avoid semantic issues…
Merriam-Webster defines the following:
  • Race is “any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry”
  • Racism is “a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race” also: behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief”
  • Racialism is synonymous with racism, merely abridging it to a theory that race determines human traits and capacities”
  • Racist is another form of the word racism, allowing for adjective use but may still be presented as a noun.


I. Acting Racist:
Donald Trump chooses to present himself as a racist ad nauseam [1, 2]. The only credible defenses I’ve heard that he is not racist, is clearly written as satire [3].

White Power
Trump openly endorses the White Power movement, and blately seeks to appeal to them [4]. By definition, this alone confirms him as a racist by engaging in behavior that fosters the belief in racial superiority.

He is fast to condemn nearly anyone else for even imagined slights, so long as they are not white supremacists [5]. Whereas murderous neo-nazis are “very fine people” [6].

Trump even went so far as to Tweet a video of multiple of his supporters chanting “white power,” and personally called them “great people” for it [7]. His press secretary has since declared that Trump did not hear one of the individuals saying “white power,” which since multiple people in the video did it, means he did know about it when he shared it.

Science
Trump has been so racist that it is scientifically testable that he is linked to racism, at least according to both Fox News and Twitter [8].


Sources:
  1. https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
  2. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-racism-examples_n_5991dcabe4b09071f69b9261
  3. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/08/28/reader-mail/donald-trump-not-racist/
  4. https://theconversation.com/trumps-appeals-to-white-anxiety-are-not-dog-whistles-theyre-racism-146070
  5. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/13/16140504/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacists
  6. https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
  7. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/politics/trump-tweet-supporters-man-chants-white-power/index.html
  8. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-search-racist-trumps-account

Round 2
Con
Forfeited
Pro
Extend all.

While BoP rests with me, as proving negatives isn't really a thing, none of my points have been challenged.

  • P1: If someone routinely behaves racist, they are by definition a racist.
  • P2: See R1.
  • C1: Therefore, Donald Trump is a racist.

Round 3
Con
" Donald Trump chooses to present himself as a racist ad nauseam [1, 2]. The only credible defenses I’ve heard that he is not racist, is clearly written as satire [3]."

Present as a "racist " by doing what? Please state specifically and being that you know the facts, just bring them forth directly.

"Trump openly endorses the White Power movement, and blately seeks to appeal to them [4]. By definition, this alone confirms him as a racist by engaging in behavior that fosters the belief in racial superiority."

So something that has power or is powerful is by nature "racist".
That applies to the power of love, the power of God, the power of justice, power of will , etc.

This is the logic I'm getting from you.

Let me ask you, not a source, creator of a source, you, what did Mr. Trump say himself, not you, anybody else, what did he explain as to what advocating the "white" power movement means?

"He is fast to condemn nearly anyone else for even imagined slights, so long as they are not white supremacists [5]. Whereas murderous neo-nazis are “very fine people” [6]."

Did Mr. Trump say this on television or something?


"Trump even went so far as to Tweet a video of multiple of his supporters chanting “white power,” and personally called them “great people” for it "

How is this so called racist?

Just by calling people great, how so?

"His press secretary has since declared that Trump did not hear one of the individuals saying “white power,” which since multiple people in the video did it, means he did know about it when he shared it."

Your point is what?

"Trump has been so racist that it is scientifically testable that he is linked to racism, at least according to both Fox News and Twitter [8]."


By doing and saying what?
Tell me directly . If I think you're being dishonest , I'll check out the referenced citations for corrobation.

I'm mainly looking for you to make sense and you're not explaining too well.

If someone were to ask you if so and so is this and what you say is the truth, you have to be able to explain yourself. It's what you know and what you've learned yourself.





Pro
For any of the argument by repetition questions I skipped, merely see R2 for the answer: “if someone routinely behaves racist, they are by definition a racist.”


I. Acting Racist:
Gish Gallop
As con has requested I “just bring them forth directly.” Here’s a list from Vox [1]:
  • 1973: “Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available”
  • 1989: Launched a public campaign to disproportionately punish black crime suspects; specifically that they should be put to death for the mere accusation of crimes which do not merit the death penalty. In 2016 he stood by this, even when both DNA evidence and a confession from someone else exonerated the accused.
As amusing as it would be to share the whole list, I can’t bring myself to go through with the requested Gish Gallop.

White Power
Con concedes that Trump openly endorses the White Power movement. He merely presents a non-sequitur that belief in inherent racial superiority doesn’t count as racism, despite it being such by definition.

If this was not the end of the debate, I suspect con would argue Nazi Germany did nothing racist during the Holocaust.

“That applies to the power of love, the power of God, the power of justice, power of will , etc.”
Love is not a race, God is not a race, justice is not a face, will is not a race, etc.

Black power, white power, and various other appeals to ways people racially identify themselves are racist movements due to declaring themselves better than other people, often to go as far as to deny the inherent humanity of anyone different from themselves.

“Did Mr. Trump say this on television or something?”
Yes, he publicly called murderous neo-nazis “very fine people” [6].

“Just by calling people great, how so? … Your point is what?
Declaring people great for being openly racist, is fostering the theory that race determines human traits and capacities. Ergo, racist.


Science
Con questions what specifically he posted on Twitter to scientifically label himself racist, however this is not about one or two lone statements. He used enough key phrases and keywords also used by racists over such a long period, that he algorithmically linked himself to racism by repetition [8].


Sources:
See R1 for list, all sources this round merely point back to it.