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God hates no person or group of people.

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seldiora
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I'll go further. To say God hates (insert person/group of people) is to call God a liar and if true, would invalidate all of Christianity.

I suppose this is making the assumption love (agapaó) is the inverse of hate. Or, maybe, better said it is impossible to hate someone if you love them.

I'm happy to further define terms or set some things before in comments or during the first round.

Round 1
Pro
I'm going to start by more or less restating things. My position to defend is that God doesn't hate any person or group of people.

I'll go further. To say God hates (insert person/group of people) is to call God a liar and if true, would invalidate all of Christianity.

I suppose this is making the assumption love (agapaó) is the inverse of hate. Or, maybe, better said it is impossible to hate someone if you love them.
I'm happy to further define terms or set some things before moving forward.

My starting citation for the Biblical stance which supports this claim.

but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8 ESV



Con
As Challies.com notes: "Psalm 11:5 puts it bluntly: God hates wicked people.
“The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence” (Psalm 11:5). He hates wicked people from his soul, from the very depth of his being. God hates their ways (Proverbs 15:9), their thoughts (Proverbs 15:26), their worship (Proverbs 15:8), their actions (Proverbs 6:18), and their evil deeds (Psalm 5:5).

He singles out as a special object of his hatred the blasphemous deeds of the Nicolaitans, those who seduced God’s people with idolatry and sexual immorality. “Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate” (Revelation 2:6).

Clearly, God hates the thoughts, deeds, and desires of evil people. But further, in some way he hates the evil people themselves. His soul reacts to them with righteous revulsion as his arm extends toward them in holy fury. But who are the wicked? All of us. We are all wicked, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). “Just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned” (Romans 5:12)."

As you see God has hate for them, even if he does forgive. It is possible to love and hate something at the same time. They are not exclusive. He loves them unconditionally because he created them, and his all knowing knowledge has plans according to the bible. However, he also hates it when they abuse their free will to do things that are malicious; he did not command those things. As such God hates sinners.
Round 2
Pro
I can see getting into hate and love etc. I think theres one or two things I may offer up. 

Before I do, as I think you make some good points and I don't think my rebuttal is all that strong. 

Illuminating some areas for me and definitely have already caused me to, if I were to re-do this, tone back and tweak the description. 

So thanks.  I keep learning so much from those of you who are patient and willing to discuss. 
I can offer more but for a quick round, im curious how you would (if you don't mind) square the deduction to hates these things, therefore you could say hates the sinner and a verse ill provide below. It's a great argument. Id like to know just a bit more before going further if that is ok? I mean is the conclusion here is not so much a big deal because we were still in open defiance but a big deal because who would die for someone they hate?


but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8 ESV


Con
god has indeed shown love, but it does not negate his hatred existing that he still holds.
Round 3
Pro
From my opening :
I suppose this is making the assumption love (agapaó) is the inverse of hate. Or, maybe, better said it is impossible to hate someone if you love them.

I really can't find a position to take on the middle ground sorry. There's just nothing to defend. I tried to be specific at the start. It just seems the focus has been on the flesh. The sinful part which dies. I see your contention. I just, as I said, can't argue from the distinction you called out. 

Con
Are you conceding? Because it's clearly been shown God can and does forgive. It is not completely contradictory. He loves his creations until they sin, and then he hates those that refuse to accept his son's and his own teachings. After they repent, he forgives them and loves them once again. Does that make sense?
Round 4
Pro
I guess. Not the argument and stance I had tried to expressed i wished to take. I didn't want to take the stance which followed from your initial arguments. That agape love is not the opposite of hate. Anything further and we're getting very into terms. I was hoping for one that more was God has excluded people not wanting them to be saved that I hear a lot. 

I should have brought this up in the first response rather than engaged and got off my stated position. Apologies. Yeah, no need to go further. My fault for engaging the first time. I'll conceed. 
Con
thanks for the debate and vote for me