Instigator / Pro

1417

rating

158

debates

32.59%

won

Topic

#2533

Any Topic 3

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Winner

After 6 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

seldiora

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Publication date: 10.21.2020 09:41PM
Last updated date: 12.11.2020 07:40PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

Ancap460

1517

rating

debates

59.09%

won

Description

Pro waives round 1 and con posts a topic and definitions. Pro will CHOOSE HIS SIDE in round 2 (he can become con on the topic, and then con will argue pro side) and then they will debate the resolution. Have fun.

“Rap battle” and “song battle” cannot be chosen as topic.

Round 1

seldiora

11.01.2020 12:09AM

Pro

pass

Ancap460

11.01.2020 03:16PM

Con

Resolved: The United Nations should become a one world government.

I'm not going to post any definitions, so if you want to create the framing in your first speech, you can, but it's up for debate.

Round 2

seldiora

11.02.2020 07:08PM

Pro

I pick CON side, so opponent has to argue PRO side. He can call me "pro" or CON, to avoid confusion, the all caps is the side we are actually on.

I will merely open up with common logic ideas. A world government would be incredibly difficult to sustain. How would it even work? Can it enforce laws? The different ideologies among countries and vast bureaucracy would make enforcing ideas near impossible, and become about the individual countries anyways.

Is the world government even necessary? US is already considering itself the "police of freedom", exercising its control over Iraq war and terrorists who would oppose the World Government. They hold the majority of military power, technology and force, making it unnecessary to distribute resources to other countries to enforce this peace, or even assist in areas that need help.

How can the world government prevent corruption? Having such responsibility and power is difficult to place in the hands of a few people alone. How would these people be decided? How would they be able to enforce specific laws for the world in general?

Why the UN? There are other organization that may be able to establish the same goal, such as EU, WTO, and other ideas that may be better organized. Because the UN's leaders come from five drastically different countries, the vetoes mean that they can hardly accomplish any laws at all. The EU at least, is similar in concepts (European ideology) such that they may potentially be able to establish the world government better than the UN.

I await con's answers.

Ancap460

11.05.2020 07:08PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 3

seldiora

11.05.2020 07:32PM

Pro

Extend

Ancap460

11.08.2020 07:32PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 4

seldiora

11.08.2020 07:40PM

Pro

vote for me.

Ancap460

11.11.2020 07:40PM

Con

Forfeited

fauxlaw

11.12.2020 04:00AM

In the future, whoever initiated this debate [my vote concluded it was Ancap460, but now I'm not so sure, recalling that the instigator is is usually Pro, but that can be properly assigned by hte instigator, and that was a failed effort.
Whichever of you was really instigator, in the future, don't get cute with not providing a subject, not choosing your side of the debate clearly, and waiving a round [which I consider a forfeit]. Good thing this was just a winner system and not a four-point judgment, because this would have been conduct failure for making the debate incohenrent.

seldiora

11.11.2020 08:05PM

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@Barney

easy vote

seldiora

10.24.2020 04:36AM

Bump

Theweakeredge

11.12.2020 09:21PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Full Forfeit

Intelligence_06

11.12.2020 05:32AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

A forfeiture is a forfeiture and a forfeiture never wins.

fauxlaw

11.12.2020 03:52AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

I am confused by the assignment of Pro and Con by the DArt system because Ancap460 left the choice of Pro/Con open, and seldiora chose Con, yet seldiora was assigned Pro, due to the resolution being a statement in favor of a world government, yet seldiora's argument is in the form of interrogatives, making it obvious Con was the chosen position, and Ancap460 then forfeited all subsequent rounds. It appears other voters have accepted the systemic assignment of seldiora as Pro, eventhough the choice was Con. Therefore, I will ignore the Pro/Con positions and proceed by screen name:
Seldiora posed some very good questions which, themselves, pose sufficient argument that, apparently, Ancap460 could not rebut, and, subsequently, forfeited the debate. Point to seldiora

SirAnonymous

11.11.2020 11:21PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Full Forfeit.

Trent0405

11.11.2020 09:47PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Full Forfeit.

Barney

11.11.2020 08:37PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Forfeiture.