The Transgender Idea is Philosophically Contradictory
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Number of rounds
- Time for argument
- One week
- Max argument characters
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
I believe THIS was the Debate Juice wanted to have? I will be helping Juice out and challenging the transgender idea.
On the one hand, they claim that the real self is something other than the physical body, in a new form of Gnostic dualism, yet at the same time they embrace a materialist philosophy in which only the material world exists. They say that gender is purely a social construct, while asserting that a person can be “trapped” in the wrong gender.
They say there are no meaningful differences between man and woman, yet they rely on rigid sex stereotypes to argue that “gender identity” is real, while human embodiment is not. They claim that truth is whatever a person says it is, yet they believe there’s a real self to be discovered inside that person.
They promote a radical expressive individualism in which people are free to do whatever they want and define the truth however they wish, yet they try ruthlessly to enforce acceptance of transgender ideology.
It’s hard to see how these contradictory positions can be combined. If you pull too hard on any one thread of transgender ideology, the whole tapestry comes unraveled. But here are some questions we can pose:
If gender is a social construct, how can gender identity be innate and immutable? How can one’s identity with respect to a social construct be determined by biology in the womb? How can one’s identity be unchangeable (immutable) with respect to an ever-changing social construct? And if gender identity is innate, how can it be “fluid”?
The challenge for activists is to offer a plausible definition of gender and gender identity that is independent of bodily sex.
Is there a gender binary or not? Somehow, it both does and does not exist, according to transgender activists. If the categories of “man” and “woman” are objective enough that people can identify as, and be, men and women, how can gender also be a spectrum, where people can identify as, and be, both, or neither, or somewhere in between?
What does it even mean to have an internal sense of gender? What does gender feel like? What meaning can we give to the concept of sex or gender—and thus what internal “sense” can we have of gender—apart from having a body of a particular sex?
The challenge for the transgender activist is to explain what these feelings are like, and how someone could know if he or she “feels like” the opposite sex, or neither, or both.
Even if trans activists could answer these questions about feelings, that still wouldn’t address the matter of reality. Why should feeling like a man—whatever that means—make someone a man? Why do our feelings determine reality on the question of sex, but on little else? Our feelings don’t determine our age or our height. And few people buy into Rachel Dolezal’s claim to identify as a black woman, since she is clearly not.
If those who identify as transgender are the sex with which they identify, why doesn’t that apply to other attributes or categories of being? What about people who identify as animals, or able-bodied people who identify as disabled? Do all of these self-professed identities determine reality? If not, why not?
And should these people receive medical treatment to transform their bodies to accord with their minds? Why accept transgender “reality,” but not trans-racial, trans-species, and trans-abled reality?
The challenge for activists is to explain why a person’s “real” sex is determined by an inner “gender identity,” but age and height and race and species are not determined by an inner sense of identity...Gender identity can sound a lot like religious identity, which is determined by beliefs. But those beliefs don’t determine reality. Someone who identifies as a Christian believes that Jesus is the Christ. Someone who identifies as a Muslim believes that Muhammad is the final prophet. But Jesus either is or is not the Christ, and Muhammad either is or is not the final prophet, regardless of what anyone happens to believe.
So, too, a person either is or is not a man, regardless of what anyone—including that person—happens to believe. ...Which is it? Is our gender identity biologically determined and immutable, or self-created and changeable? If the former, how do we account for people whose gender identity changes over time? Do these people have the wrong sense of gender at some time or other?
And if gender identity is self-created, why must other people accept it as reality? If we should be free to choose our own gender reality, why can some people impose their idea of reality on others just because they identify as transgender?...A transgender future is not the “right side of history,” yet activists have convinced the most powerful sectors of our society to acquiesce to their demands. ”
- Definitions: Pro failed to provide any
- Objections: Pro does not actually provide an argument, instead they copy and paste an argument from the Heritage Foundation, this should be grounds for automatic conduct penalty.
- A syllogism is a formatted deductive argument, where each idea draws from the last to lead to a conclusion that logically follows.
- Whenever your premises lead to a conclusion that is the only logical conclusion one can draw from such premises, that argument is valid.
- Whenever each premise is factually correct as well as valid, the argument is sound.
- P1: Gender and Sex are two different words that refer to different things
- P2: One’s gender is able to not be the same as the sex they are assigned at birth
- P3: If P1, P2, then transgenderism
- Con: Therefore, transgenderism is true
- Recall: The definition of Transgender - from definitions
- In order for this definition to be true, all that needs to be true are sex and gender to be separate things, and for one to be able to have a different gender from the sex they are assigned
- Recall: The definition of Gender - from definitions.
- The definition itself makes a distinction between sex and gender, and seeing as how Pro has not provided any definitions, the Voters should prefer Con’s definition’s inherently.
- “The APA Commission on Accreditation (APA-CoA) is recognized by both the secretary of the U.S. Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation, as the national accrediting authority for professional education and training in psychology.”
- A simple argument from Neuroanatomy - the observations of the way the brain works and the structure of that same brain is more similar between individuals who share the same gender identity than between those that share the biological features of sex [x]
- “The fact that these differences extend beyond brain areas and circuits classically associated with sexual and endocrine functions raise the possibility that transsexuality is also associated with changes in cerebral networks involved in self-perception.”
- The levels of specific hormones within the brain/body, especially in early development, are what primarily affect how people’s sex phenotypes. [x] [y]
- However, research has shown that these chemicals are not what impact someone’s gender identity. In essence - Physical evidence that gender doesn’t equal sex
- The study I cite says the following: “particularly ..but relatively minimal effects on gender identity.”
- “... they claim that the real….. “trapped” in the wrong gender.”
- “They say... no meaningful ….inside that person.”
- “They promote a …...of transgender ideology.”
- “If gender is a social construct,...., how can it be “fluid”?”
- "The challenge for activists is to offer a plausible definition of gender and gender identity that is independent of bodily sex.”
- “ Is there a gender binary or not?........ neither, or somewhere in between?”
- “What does it even mean ….having a body of a particular sex?”
- “The challenge for the…. opposite sex, or neither, or both.”
- “Even if trans …….identify as a black woman, since she is clearly not.”
- “If those who identify……. reality? If not, why not?”
- “And should these……. and trans-abled reality?”
- “So, too, a person either ……...wrong sense of gender at some time or other?”
- Repeated Argument/strawman of Pro
"f the scientists can back up gender with chemicals in the brain corresponding to biological problems (ex. Woman body having male chromosome and can be called “they”), wouldn’t their gender be still based on what’s inside of their body rather than what they say? The other problem I can think of is, if genetic modification exists should we allow people to identify as non human? Do they still deserve human rights?"
- If gender is correlative with biological problems, wouldn't gender be based on what's inside the body than what someone reports.
- If genetic modification exists, should they be able to identify as non-human, do they get human rights
- What someone reports is what their gender identity is from the inside. Just like whenever a gay person says they are gay, they are reporting what they are.
- Changing your sex to match your gender in the same species is not comparable to changing to a different species.