Instigator / Pro
15
1417
rating
158
debates
32.59%
won
Topic
#2580

Pro will be Victorious in This Debate Despite Waiving Rounds 2~5

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
6
10
Better legibility
5
5
Better conduct
4
5

After 5 votes and with 20 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
1,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
35
1702
rating
574
debates
67.86%
won
Description

Victorious: achievement of mastery or success in a struggle or endeavor against odds or difficulties

Pro must prove beyond a reasonable doubt he will be victorious despite waiving rounds 2~5.

Round 1
Pro
#1
In times of uncertainty and difficulty, people have refused and used inaction as a form of action itself. Perhaps the most famous was Rosa Parks sitting on the bus, refusing to stand up, for the rights of the minority, the blacks. And with many poorly paid workers, they refuse to work, showing a powerful message by expending cost and still not earning any money for the company. So here I will refuse to use the right of using my arguments from rounds 2 to 5, only using one round to clarify my stance and position, so that I will show this struggle. I will show that you can win merely from stating you are not planning to act. Because this is a very powerful message. It takes guts to go against pressure. It takes effort to actively choose to do nothing. I display my freedom of speech. I speech volumes, resonating with minority rights and workers' ideals. Even if only a few see this, they will be inspired by my action to choose to waive, and I will hence be victorious. Con will no doubt attempt many variations of attack to get me to change my mind and speak, but he will not succeed. Because my stance is strong and I have chosen to be dedicated towards this ideal. Vote for pro.
Con
#2
R = Round
The definition of 'despite':

without taking any notice of or being influenced by; not prevented by:

preposition
in spite of; notwithstanding.

Pro cannot be victorious in this debate despite waiving Rs 2 ~ 5. Instead, Pro can only be victorious by being influenced by the resolutions demand that he do so.

Additionally, the description's definition of 'victorious' requires Pro to win against odds and difficulties but waiving Rs 2~5 is not difficult and his odds of doing so are 100% from his perspective.


Round 2
Pro
#3
I waive.
Con
#4
  1. Pro's 'victory' is entirely contingent on him waiving Rounds 2 through to 5, it therefore isn't gained despite it.
  2. Pro says he is akin to Rosa Parks, who sat on a bus and risked potentially being beaten as a hate crime for sitting in the seats intended solely for caucasians. It's actually fucking vile that he would do this to win this debate, even if it is meant as a hyperbole joke. Rosa Parks did not waive she acted extremely bravely both in that moment and throughout her life afterwards as she used the attention she gained fantastically for the improvement of civil rights for black people (and in fact for other minorities, for instance she was female and that was a time that Feminism had only just truly begun).
  3. Pro is doing the equivalent of forfeiting every single Round after Round 1, in the Code of Conduct, this qualifies as a form of full-forfeit.
A full-forfeit debate is defined as a debate that has no argument presented by one side following the opening round.

Round 3
Pro
#5
Is failing to present an argument same as refusing to present evidence for argument? My refusal here stands, self-evident.
Con
#6
Pro didn't waive Round 3, Pro has proven the resolution untrue and can't win at all now.
Round 4
Pro
#7
"To ask merely a question, present unrelated facts, seemingly random quotes, are equivalent to waiving." -- 9spaceking
Con
#8
After using a rhetorical question as an argumentation device in Round 3, Pro proceeds to present a quote that isn't waiving.

Waiving a Round is to present absolutely no arguments of any kind inside it.

to refrain from claiming or insisting on; give up; forgo:to waive one's right; to waive one's rank; to waive honors.
Law. to relinquish (a known right, interest, etc.) intentionally.
to put aside for the time; defer; postpone; dispense with:to waive formalities.
to put aside or dismiss from consideration or discussion

If you waive your right to something, for example legal representation, you choose not to have it or do it.
Round 5
Pro
#9
I win.