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Topic

A person without feelings or motivations cannot have rights

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

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With 8 votes and 34 points ahead, the winner is ...

Theweakeredge
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Round 1
Pro
Haha! I tricked you into accepting the equivalent of Super AI having rights!

My argument is simple. Our founders established basic rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But the super AI, also person with no feelings or motivation, has no need for liberty; computers do not complain despite locked up, life is similar, as destruction of your own computer is harmless. Finally computers cannot feel happiness. There is no need to enforce these rights because this person does not care for such rights. And it would likewise be impossible to infringe upon them, even if you stab a computer it will merely respond with error message rather than being hurt. 

As you can see persons without feelings or motivations cannot have rights. Rights are used to protect people, but have been waived under many circumstances. The super AI, with its actions determined by other humans (no desired itself), can’t possibly be protected.
Con
ResolutionA person without feelings or motivations cannot have rights




Opening Statement:

Thanks for the debate Seldiora, my opponent has not provided anything except for a single line of argument (As in, one premise to demonstrate their claim), and thus I can define each word as I please, until contested by Pro. I will also point out Pro's blatant attempt to trap people using a resolution, their downfall will be their lack of effort in the debate thus far. 

BoP: The burden of proof is shared, while I con must demonstrate the proposition "A person without feelings or motivations can have rights", Pro must demonstrate the inverse is true that, "A person without feelings or motivations cannot have rights."

Structure: I will begin by constructing my own case for the ability to have rights without feelings or motivation. After that, I will rebut pro's claims as nothing but bunk. Finally I will conclude and leave my sources in listed format

Key Terms:

1.  Human





People w/o feelings or motivations CAN have rights

  • Legally - This is true
  • Philosophically - this is true



Legal Proof for Con

  • The resolution says - can not have rights - this means in every single scenario or situation, but this is blatantly false from a legal setting.


1. 

The Bill of rights are a list of 10 amendments (or changes to the original work after publication), which protect several rights of the people. The constitution and therefore the bill of rights are giving rights to all people who are citizens of that nation.  This is common knowledge, essential learning in every middle school class room, how pro missed the obvious point is beyond me. 


"The first 10 amendments to the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights, guarantee essential rights and civil liberties"


2.


On December 10th, 1948 The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was constructed, ensuring rights to all people. What you may notice is that, just like with the bill of rights, this does not exclude people without feelings or motivations, people with sociopathy and psychopthy still have rights for example. To prove this I take this short bite from the preamble of the document:

"Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,"




Philosophic Proof for Con

P1: People without feelings and motivations have personhood
P2: People have rights based on living and personhood
Con: Therefore people w/o feelings or motivation still have rights

  • Essentially - personhood is the condition of being an individual person, there is no stipulation that one cannot be "programmed" and also be a person, them being a human with natural sentience is the other proof. 
Cross apply definition of personhood. If Pro believes that human rights are endowed in some other way, please present them.




Rebuttal:

Pro's essential misinterpretation of their resolution is whether people without feelings or motivations deserve right, whereas the resolution states, have them, though I proved they should have them in my philosophical proofs as well, this means their argument does not fit within the resolution/non-topical. 

  • There is a core difference between A.I and Humans, whereas humans naturally are capable of sentience, consciousness, etc, A.I's are only the study of having some of the characteristics of a human, they do not have this natural sentience. Therefore the comparison is false. 



Conclusion

Pro fails out of the gate, providing an argument which is logically flawed, and not even correctly interpreted to the resolution, which makes it not topical in the first place. Con (Myself) establish two contentions on which People w/o feelings or motivations have rights, therefore concretely establishing my BoP.

Back to Pro.


Sources:

Round 2
Pro
Oops. I messed up. Concede.
Con
Pro has conceded the round.

  • Therefore, as Pro leaves all contentions uncontested, extend all arguments from r1

  • Pro has conceded the debate - Vote Con

Round 3
Pro
ded
Con
  • Extend all arguments
Vote Con 

Round 4
Pro
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Con
Closing Statement

This was a potentally very interesting debate, I do hope that Pro challenges me to a better worded resolution in the future. For now at least, Pro has dropped all arguments by conceding, therefore still not establishing their BoP as fulfilled as well as automatically losing the debate due to concession. I have proved my point with no contentions. Thank you Seldiora,

Vote Con.