The statement "Santa Clause doesn't exist" is false.
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With 3 votes and 11 points ahead, the winner is ...
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-Resolution- The statement "Santa Clause doesn't exist" is false.
Wagyu's burden of proof = The statement "Santa Clause doesn't exist" is false.
Contender's burden of proof = The statement "Santa Clause doesn't exist" is true.
1. No new arguments in the last round
2. Since this is a thought experiment, sources are not essential
3. Burden of Proof is shared
Definition of exist in English:intransitive verb
- 1 Have objective reality or being.‘there existed no organization to cope with espionage’
You should assume that the parties intended the words in their contract to have their usual and ordinary meaning unless you decide that the parties intended the words to have a special meaning.
Santa doesn't exist because Santa doesn't have objective reality or being.
There are two competing definitions for exist at play here. The usual and ordinary meaning, which favours myself, and the special meaning from philosophy, which favours Pro.
If it is not clear enough already, my belief is that "Santa Clause exists as an idea/thought", I do not believe in a physical Santa Clause delivering presents. But the later does not need to be proved in order for me to satisfy my BoP. If I can prove that "Santa Clause exists as an idea", then we can conclude that, since my ideas exist, Santa clause must therefore also exist.
Pro's argument is predicated entirely on using the word "exist" within the resolution in a manner that is substantially different from the usual and ordinary meaning of the word.
- You accuse me of using the sketchy definition in my own favour
- After being called out that I am in fact using your definition, ignore the point I have raised.
- Left all my questions to you unrebutted.
- Left my whole argument unrebutted.
It is obvious that Santa exists as an idea
It is obvious that Santa exists as an ideaDeath23
Pro admits that Santa Clause has no objective,physical existence. That is a concession. This debate is over.