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Topic
#2759

Resolved: Violent revolution is a just response to political oppression

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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Better sources
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Better conduct
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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Undefeatable
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
4
1777
rating
79
debates
76.58%
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Description

Revolution: As a historical process, “revolution” refers to a movement, often violent, to overthrow an old regime and effect, complete change in the fundamental institutions of society -- http://www.columbia.edu/cu/weai/exeas/asian-revolutions/pdf/what-is-revolution.pdf

Violent: using force to hurt or attack, used to describe a situation or event in which people are hurt or killed -- https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/violent

Political: Relating to the activities of the government, members of law-making organizations, or people who try to influence the way a country is governed (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/politics)

Oppression: a situation in which people are governed in an unfair and cruel way and prevented from having opportunities and freedom

Just: morally correct (similar to Justice: righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness)

I will be repeating none of my arguments from last time, except Uncertainty.

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@Benjamin

Yep, good example of how those can be misused, especially since these short responses didn't accomplish much.

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@whiteflame

Remember how we discussed line-by-line rebuttals? Look at my R1 rebuttals in this debate. Hillarious.

Made some changes to it, though I might still be missing some.

I’ll fix it up when I get a chance. Currently out and about.

Yeah, apparently I did mix it up in several places. This is what happens when I’m trying to type up my thoughts with a puppy in the room wanting my attention. Hope it makes some sense.

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@whiteflame

thanks for the vote and feedback. And I also mixed up myself and the opponent during the final round so the confusion is definitely understandable hah.

For future voters: replace "con" with "Pro", and replace "Pro" with Con for my final round.

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@MisterChris

yeah, his vote looked very confusing to me. And then he switched back to normal for the end. He seems to want to vote for Undefeatable though.

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@whiteflame

I think you mixed up PRO and CON lol

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@whiteflame

thank you.

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@Undefeatable
@Benjamin

Finished the debate, giving it some thought. Goal is to get up an RFD by the end of the day.

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@Benjamin

I'm still reading through the final round (been busy this week...), but I'll give some feedback for both of you on this one. It definitely took a different turn from Undefeatable's previous debate on this topic. Not sure how I feel about it just yet.

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@whiteflame

Thank you, I appreciate that you are going to vote.

What do you think about the debate? Have any suggestions?

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@whiteflame

Thank you.

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@Benjamin

Should be able to do it.

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@whiteflame
@MisterChris
@gugigor

This debate was particularly hard for me so I would appreciate some feedback. Would any of you like to vote?

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I think the topic is a bit vaguely worded. I’m not sure if “just” means “justified” or “obligatory,” and I’m not sure if Pro has to defend it in most circumstances or it’s sufficient for them to defend violent revolution in some circumstances.

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@whiteflame
@MisterChris

Vote?

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@Undefeatable

Thank you for teaching me how to possibly defeat you. This is from your description.
"""
My Rules of Debating:
- Think of three good reasons why you are correct before accepting
- Hold onto as many ideas as possible
- Thoroughly crack opponent's exact stance, through clarification and comparison
- Evaluate impacts of each idea
- Never give up
- Always spell check before posting
"""

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@Benjamin

Definitely not. But then again, no one is

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@MisterChris

Undefeatable is talented, but not Undefeatable.

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@MisterChris

He definitely had an easier time writing his arguments.

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@Benjamin

If you win you should be, Undefeatable is talented.

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@MisterChris

Should I be proud if I won this debate? Do I even have a chance?

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@gugigor

In fact, I did that to him.

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@Undefeatable

They are willing to pay the price - EVEN with the risk of losing what little they have.

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@Benjamin

ahhh, there's the rub isn't it-- you have to actually accomplish your result! that's why the impact also matters. It's a trap, to be honest.

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@Undefeatable

"The citizens don't care either way"

Why do revolutions happen, then? The thing is, they DO care - they ARE willing to pay the price for liberty - even if the price is bloodshed.

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@Benjamin

If you read my previous try, you’ll notice I have a very clever argument against the Nazi’s...

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@Undefeatable

Is this a trick question? Obviously killing is wrong, but if an armed group is attacked by the military then obviously they have a right to defend themselves.

You do not specify what exactly must be proven. What if oppression is immoral, would that justify a revolution? What about the Nazzies?

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@MisterChris

honestly, Undefeatable's standard is a bit high, plus BoP is shared here. Remember that he likes to stack argument on argument to try to win which could pile up at the end... bleh.

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@Undefeatable

maybe, although I think he would have a different take on the rebuttals

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@MisterChris

honestly seldiora would probably just rehash your argument XD. Also arguing against American Revolution is actually pretty tricky

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@gugigor

I think you might be interested in trying this one

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@Undefeatable

Honestly not really, in large part I think it would be a rehash of the debate we already had except for whatever new strategy you've got. If you want to debate a different topic though I'm down. I'll just leave this one open to whoever else wants to try their hand

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@MisterChris

interested in a rematch? I believe that I found a cool way for Con to gain an advantage...