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On balance, Accuracy is More Important than Volume of Fire

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After 7 votes and with 41 points ahead, the winner is...

Sum1hugme
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BOP is shared.

Pro - On balance, Accuracy is More Important than Volume of Fire
Con - On balance, Volume of Fire is More Important than Accuracy

Fire -The shooting of projectiles from weapons, especially bullets from guns.
(https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/fire)

Hope this is fun.

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@Patmos

Interested ?

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@MisterChris

It's a victory that isn't worthwhile to the victor. In the end, they accomplished their objective and occupied the hill, but their losses made it not worthwhile.

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@Sum1hugme

In my opinion, not necessarily

This is a subtle teaching that isn't directly taught, in Sun Tzu's art of war. It refers to the idea that if you can do more with less effort AND resources to ALWAYS do so. The balance of effort vs resources isn't directly taught though.

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@MisterChris

That is called a pyrrhic victory. But still a victory.

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@Sum1hugme

Mostly what I mean is situations like Bunker Hill.

The British took their objective, but the Americans defended the position so well that taking the objective wasn't truly a "win" for the British.

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@MisterChris

In ancient greece, one tangible way of knowing you won was when the routed side requests permission to retrieve their dead.

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@MisterChris

Well there are the tangible rewards of occupied territory, or political domination of a region. Or even the ability to treat one's own wounded and retrieve one's own dead.

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@Sum1hugme

Hmmm... "winning" is ambiguous and depends on what the objective is. I guess that's for the better if you're CON however.

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@MisterChris

Winning battles in general

Towards what end?

Suppression, survival or the elimination of the enemy?

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@SirAnonymous

On a "lighter" note, if you like war stories, you should read "Across the Fence" by John S. Meyer, or "Storm of Steel" by Ernst Junger.

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@SirAnonymous

Yeah you ain't kiddin'

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@Undefeatable

haha, you can use examples from history as you'd like. I mean, most of human history hasn't had guns.

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@Sum1hugme

I hadn't. That's heartbreaking.

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@SirAnonymous

Stalingrad was brutal. Have you ever heard of Tanya Savicheva? She was a russian child who recorded the date and times of her family's deaths in her Diary, all the way down to the last one, her mother:

"Mama on May 13th at 7:30 in the morning, 1942

The Savichevs are dead

Everyone is dead

Only Tanya is left"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_Savicheva

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@Sum1hugme

if the resolution was "in 1500's", I would take Con side.

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@Sum1hugme

It was. I read a book on Stalingrad. It was extremely depressing. Both the Soviets and the Germans were incredibly brutal and completely heedless of human life. The descriptions of the bitter cold and the frostbite turned my stomach. I'm very glad that there hasn't been a third world war.

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@SirAnonymous

That's true. I've been going hard on Military History for a little while now. It's really incredible what all has happened. One account I read about was from this guy who was a German Soldier, left stranded to die outside Stalingrad with 300,000 of his fellow soldiers. It was horrible, and the flow of propaganda from the Nazi state was trying to sugar coat the fact that they left several armies of loyal Germans to their deaths at the hands of the Russians, in the freezing Winter, with 1/5 provisions, for weeks. It was just madness.

The guy telling the story has like a whole realization that he's literally been fighting for evil this whole time, ruining lives because they were winning.

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@Sum1hugme

Cool. There's never a bad time to learn more about history.

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@SirAnonymous

He's the most decorated US Marine in history. He was awarded five Navy Crosses.

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@Sum1hugme

Ok. I don't think I've heard of him before.

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@SirAnonymous

Chesty Puller's biography, "Marine!" lol

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@Sum1hugme

Was this inspired by stormtroopers or the British Grand fleet at the start of the 20th century?