Instigator / Pro
11
1502
rating
41
debates
35.37%
won
Topic
#2995

Moral Dilemma: Kill One Tribe's Persons vs Kill Tribe Leaders

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
12
Better sources
6
8
Better legibility
3
4
Better conduct
2
2

After 4 votes and with 15 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
26
1706
rating
562
debates
68.06%
won
Description

I recently had a dream where I struggled over a moral dilemma.

You could kill an entire tribe's persons, except the leader, or you could kill the two leaders of two tribes. It's suggested that there will be unpredictable chaos and problems when the leaders die, because they are the only ones capable of leading the tribes well.

In the dream, I argued that both choices are equal (because killing the people means I am treating them as a means to an end, and saying some people are worth more than other people), but here I'm making a stand that you should kill an entire tribe's persons, rather than killing the two leaders.

Burden of proof is shared.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Argument - Concession - Con

Sources - Neither bother with sources - Tie

S & G - Neither appears under the influence of alcohol whilst typing - Tie

Conduct - A player offering a concession is very honest and gracious and deserves sometype of acknowledgement - Pro

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Concession.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

The set-up of this debate is confusing due to the lack of a declaration which argument is Pro's [the instigator], and, therefore, which is Con's. Con's first round argues this very point, whereas pro's first round is a vague as the Description. Pro's only valid argument is that, yes, the two distinctions, killing one tribe, or killing the leaders of two tribes, is laid out, but the conditions for cause of the dilemma, who does the killing, and which option is morally superior, let alone which optin either participant is to take, are all questions never answered by Pro. poor set up.

Argument: Pro effectively offers no argument other than from what is gathered from the Description and pro's R1: questions and no answers, let alone true argument. Con, by contrast, offers a perspective on all questions with arguments. Con wins the points.''

Sourcing: Neither participant offers sourcing, but the greater infraction is Pro's for never offering a positional statement; which participant shold take which side of the debate. Therefore, Con is left without a clear side by which to offer sources for arguments. Con wins the points by default.

Legibility. pro loses this point be having nothing but nebulous questions - effectively lack of legibility, of the Instigator side of the debate. Point to Con.

Conduct: By concession and forfeit, Pro loses. point to Con.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro conceded and forfeited. Pro had no arguments. A W for Con.