Instigator / Pro
23
1517
rating
1
debates
100.0%
won
Topic

Resolved: Frankincense should be Standardized and endorsed as a Medicine by Doctors and pharmacies

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

Arguments points
9
3
Sources points
8
6
Spelling and grammar points
4
4
Conduct points
2
4

With 4 votes and 6 points ahead, the winner is ...

OrwelliusofCicero
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Category
Health
Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
30,000
Required rating
1
Contender / Con
17
1498
rating
5
debates
50.0%
won
Description
~ 1,112 / 5,000

DEFINITIONS:
Frankincense-" a fragrant gum resin from trees of a genus (Boswellia of the family Burseraceae) of Somalia and southern coastal Arabia that is an important incense resin and has been used in religious rites, perfumery, and embalming"- Merriam webster dictionary definition.
Medicinal-"A substance, be it a plant, or any other kind, that has been proven to have healing properties (has actual medicinal use)".

STRUCTURE:
R1- PRO Constructive & CON Constructive (Constructive as in setting the foundation to which the debates later rounds shall be made on, which is to say, mostly just opening arguments and main sources not really a response to either argument).
R2-3- Fluid attack/defense. No set structure here. (Just don't forget about your past statements).

RULESET:
1. No new arguments made in the final round
2. No trolling
3. You must follow the debate structure
4. No plagiarism
5. Must follow debate definitions.

RULESET PENALTY:
If the ruleset is broken, the penalty will be the loss of a conduct point. By accepting the debate, the contender accepts the RULESET and the RULESET PENALTY.

Round 1
Pro
Forfeited
Con
Side Effects of Frankincense Oil (healthfully.com) states that some side effects from Frankincense are:

  1. Gastrointestinal Side Effects
  2. Blood-Thinning Effects
  3. Allergic Reaction
I fail to see why something should be a medicine if there are potentially significant side effects.
Round 2
Pro
             I apologize for not responding sooner. I had no idea anyone had even responded to this debate, and was just in the process of creating a couple of  new debates, of which I would argue are of a much higher importance, and duality than this. (controversially speaking of course). But that isn't very relevant right now. I just wanted to explain myself. So with that much needed apology out of the way. Let's begin.

             First of all, I would like to point out that my oppositions reasoning is severely flawed in numerous ways. Specifically concerning his reasoning that a substance that has potentially severe side effects, such as Frankincense should not be standardized. This proposition is simply absurd and shows just how little my opposition actually understands of the standardization process, or how products, specifically medical products are standardized. His words were, and I quote-"I fail to see why something should be a medicine if there are potentially significant side effects."  First of all it is important to note that every single standardized medical substance on Earth has "potentially significant" side effects. In fact every single substance known to man has the potential to be lethal in some way, shape, or form. Even air has the potential to be dangerous if administrated incorrectly. And that especially goes towards standardized and prescribed medical substances as well (it's also one of the reasons as to why standardization can actually benefit how frankincense is produced and applied/given to people/customers).  Standardization of a product can help improve the quality, distribution, and the better usage of safety measures for said product. Another thing I would like to point out is that your source talks about Frankincense oil, and Frankincense oil only, and even so it quite literally clerifys that it's still better than some of it's other, more artificial alternatives/counterparts. What I find hilarious is the fact that the "source/article" that you used even talks about how Frankincense oil still has good uses, and that " Some side effects are possible, but the MSKCC notes that frankincense seems to have fewer negative effects than drugs that treat inflammatory conditions, such as steroids and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs." Which means that your own source admits that the "potentially dangerous " side effects that you speak of, are A. No where near as dangerous (for the most part) than their artificial drug counterparts, and that B. Nor are they any where near as prevalent either.
             So with all of this having been said, I believe that I have proved that the standardization of Frankincense would in fact be a much, much better idea, than barring it from such a process. Not only this, but I have shown that my opponents arguments are not only inherently flawed, but his own source in fact counteracts his own points, in fact one could argue that he was being extremely misleading with his usage of the terms related to said "Article".  Also, I would argue that I have used more reputable sources than my opposition, aside from using his own as an example, I would argue that my sources on the subject/matter at hand are for more reliable, reputable, and trustworthy. Than his was. So, with that having been said, I now leave it to the jury to make sense of this whole conundrum. 




Sources:
 1. https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/science/toxicology/index.cfm - concerning the potential for all substances in general having the potential of being toxic, not specifically concerning those of a medical nature though.
4.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29642127/ : A persons personal experience with said oils, concerning cancer treatment.
Con
You changed my mind.  Congrats.
Round 3
Pro
Forfeited
Con
Forfeited
Round 4
Pro
Forfeited
Con
I don't know what else there is to say.  I made a gamble and I lost.
Round 5
Pro
Forfeited
Con
Forfeited