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So-called race realists claim that intelligence testing, national prosperity, and historical developments prove the inequality of races.
In this debate, my opponent must play devil's advocate and put forward evidence for each of these 3 arguments so that I can dismantle them.
They may provide other arguments if they so desire.
Mr. Lippmann does not charge that the tests have been thus abused, but that they easily could be. Very true; but they simply aren’t. That is one of the recognized rules of the game. Isn’t it funny what horrible possibilities an excited brain can conjure up? I recall a patient who had worked himself into a wretched stew from thinking how terrible it would be if butchers by concerted action all over the country, should suddenly take it into their heads to slaughter their unsuspecting customers. He was actually determined to get a law passed that would deprive these potential murderers of their edged and pointed tools.
- Nutrition & Disease
- Appeal to the Authority of Stuart Ritchie
- Open-ended Questions
My opponent gives a supposed example of an open-ended question, "What do cats and dogs have in common?" without providing any example of such a question from a contemporary mainstream I.Q. test.
Ítem 7. Celular y computador2 puntos
- Son medios de comunicación
- Son (aparatos, tecnología) que nos permiten comunicarnos1 punto
- Son (aparatos tecnológicos, tecnología)
- Son dispositivos eléctricos0 puntos
- Son objetos que uno tiene en la casa
Item 7. Cellphone and computer2 puntos
- They're methods of communication
- They're (devices, technology) that let us communicate1 punto
- They're (technological devices, technology)
- They're electronic devices0 puntos
- They're objects one has at home
- Appeal to Authority of Psychometricians
Nassim Taleb, who is not an expert in psychometrics and whose positions contradict those of leading psychometricians.
- Basketball Analogy
Her argument is analogous to claiming that height cannot correlate with success in basketball because a basketball hoop is not a yardstick.
Sub-Saharan Africans never independently generated any great civilization or adopted technology beyond mud huts and spears.
Germans were known by the classical Greeks and Romans as barbarians who lived in huts in the wilderness. Fast forward 1,000 years and these "barbarians" are ruling all of Europe as the "Holy Roman Empire."
races with lower I.Q.'s can be considered inferior in a general sense
You can't compare IQ testing to heliocentrism, or psychology to astronomy at all. Psychology is pseudoscience. At the very least, it is a "soft science" according to its own proponents, with far lower standards of proof than any subfield of physics.
The biological diversity of humanity is like the color spectrum: The differences are objective, but where one draws the lines and assigns labels, etc., "This line separates Asians from Native Americans", or, "This line separates red from orange", is totally subjective and redefined depending on what is most convenient.That doesn't mean blue is better than green, or any color is better than another.
If you argue that modern people do better on ancient IQ tests than ancient people because our lifestyles expose us to more stuff similar to puzzles on IQ tests, then I can argue that different races in America (e.g. African-Americans) are lagging behind IQ-wise only because their culture does not expose them to "IQ-like stuff" as much as Caucasians.
Of course Stuart Ritchie considers IQ tests are valid, he is a psychometrician. His entire career depends on him believing IQ tests are valid.
That doesn't mean anything though. Psychometricians have to support the validity of IQ testing, or drop the title of "psychometrician" and abandon their profession.
The definition of "psychometrician" is literally someone who administers IQ tests. Their opinion on IQ tests cannot be brought into this debate as evidence. That would be like citing the Pope in a debate over the existence of God.
No. The correct analogy is me claiming that height, while a good indicator for how successful one may be at slam-dunks, does not correlate with success in other aspects of the game: dribbling, passing, teamwork, defense, avoiding fouls, etc.Similarly, IQ testing does not correlate with real-world success, unless that success involves a profession or activity similar to an IQ test (e.g. academic work as opposed to manual labour or artistic endeavours).
Germans were known by the classical Greeks and Romans as barbarians who lived in huts in the wilderness. Fast forward 1,000 years and these "barbarians" are ruling all of Europe as the "Holy Roman Empire."You can't deny a race's potential for civilization just because it hasn't demonstrated it yet. Today's Sub-Saharan Africans may be the barbarian Germanic tribes of millenia past.