Instigator / Con
Bogan's avatar
13
Bogan
1497
rating
1
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Topic
#3482

Are races equal?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
15
Better sources
8
10
Better legibility
4
5
Better conduct
1
5

After 5 votes and with 22 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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Politics
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
oromagi's avatar
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oromagi
1922
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117
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Description

There is only two racist theories to explain why some notorious ethnicities are always crime and welfare prone, regardless of which western society they inhabit. The first racist explanation is CRT, or Critical Race Theory, which proposes that the reason why ethnicities such as African blacks, Australian Aboriginals, and Pacific Islanders, are always dysfunctional, is because the racist white oppressors are keeping them down through "unconscious racism" (whatever that is?). The second racist explanation, is that these races have a "bell curve" of intelligence displaced from other races, and a genetic predisposition to violent behaviour a predisposition which is much greater than among other races. I think that the second racist explanation is the correct one. What do you think?

Round 1
Bogan's avatar
Bogan
Con
#1
I do not have a clue how this debate site works.    My premise seems to be opposed by some bloke who's picture is a Ukrainian flag, but where his submission is, I do not have a clue?
oromagi's avatar
oromagi
Pro
#2
Thanks, Bogan, for  instigating this debate.

OBJECTION: The topic "Are races equal?" is a question rather than a debatable claim.  In the absence of a debatable topic, PRO will try to construct a thesis from CON's description of the debate.

RESOLVED: BLACK AFRICANS, AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS and PACIFIC ISLANDERS do not HAVE a "BELL CURVE" of INTELLIGENCE DISPLACED FROM OTHER RACES or a FAR GREATER GENETIC PREDISPOSITION to VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR THAN OTHER RACES

NOTE:  In the absence of any definition of terms in DESCRIPTION, CON submits the following:

DEFINITIONS:

Wikipedia advises:

RACE is "a superficial division of anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) [with]  an extensive history in Europe and the Americas. The contemporary word race itself is modern, historically it was used in the sense of "nation, ethnic group" during the 16th to 19th centuries.   Race acquired its modern meaning in the field of physical anthropology through scientific racism starting in the 19th century. With the rise of modern genetics, the concept of distinct human races in a biological sense has become obsolete. In 2019, the American Association of Biological Anthropologists stated: "The belief in 'races' as natural aspects of human biology, and the structures of inequality (racism) that emerge from such beliefs, are among the most damaging elements in the human experience both today and in the past."

For the purposes of this debate, RACIAL categories within the human species including BLACK AFRICANS, AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS, and PACIFIC ISLANDERS will treated as old-fashioned and scientifically discredited concepts of little or no biological consequence.

The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is "a 1994 book by psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein and political scientist Charles Murray, in which the authors argue that human intelligence is substantially influenced by both inherited and environmental factors and that it is a better predictor of many personal outcomes, including financial income, job performance, birth out of wedlock, and involvement in crime than are an individual's parental socioeconomic status. They also argue that those with high intelligence, the "cognitive elite", are becoming separated from those of average and below-average intelligence, and that this separation is a source of social division within the United States."

DISPLACE is "to put out of place; to disarrange."

GREATER is the "comparative form of great: more great."

GENETIC PREDISPOSITION is "a genetic characteristic which influences the possible phenotypic development of an individual organism within a species or population under the influence of environmental conditions."'

VIOLENT is "involving physical conflict."

BEHAVIOR is "human conduct relative to social norms."

BURDEN of PROOF

Wikipedia advises:

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

As the instigator of this debate, CON bears the entire burden of proof here. CON must establish as a fact that Black Africans, Australian Aboriginals, and Pacific Islanders have a "displaced" range of intelligence from other races and CON must also establish as a fact that Black Africans, Australian Aboriginals, and Pacific Islanders are genetically predisposed to violence in comparison to other races.

CON1:

  • CON argues that there are only two theories to explain why Black Africans, Australian Aboriginals, and Pacific Islanders are always crime and welfare prone. 
    • One is the theory is racist white oppression (which CON incorrectly labels as Critical Race Theory.
    • The other is genetic predisposition to low intelligence and violence.
  • CON argues that the second theory is true but fails to explain why. 
    • To make this argument true, CON must
      • first, establish as true that Black Africans, Australian Aboriginals, and Pacific Islanders are always crime and welfare prone. 
        • PRO will assume that CON's conclusion  has been made on the basis of insufficient or biased evidence until PRO establishes these facts.
      • second, establish as fact that there are only two possible theories of explanation for the phenomenon.
        • Are poverty or disenfranchisement potential factors, for example?  
      • third, establish why discredited subdivisions of human speciation based on phenotype are a useful framework
      • fourth,  eliminate White Supremacy as an alternative.
CON has made a lot of assertions here without bothering to show any evidence.  Following Hitchens on Burden of Proof, PRO may dismiss all of CON's claim, likewise without evidence.

I look forward to CON's R2!

SOURCES:




Round 2
Bogan's avatar
Bogan
Con
#3
Forfeited
oromagi's avatar
oromagi
Pro
#4
Thanks, Bogan!

RESOLVED: BLACK AFRICANS, AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS and PACIFIC ISLANDERS do not HAVE a "BELL CURVE" of INTELLIGENCE DISPLACED FROM OTHER RACES or a FAR GREATER GENETIC PREDISPOSITION to VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR THAN OTHER RACES

  • Regrettably, CON has made no argument.
  • PRO requests that VOTERS find for PRO under the rules of full forfeiture.
  • Thanks to Bogan for any easy win and thanks to VOTERS for their kind consideration.
Please VOTE PRO!