Instigator / Pro
8
1493
rating
6
debates
33.33%
won
Topic
#3570

Most of the Top 1% Deserve it

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
2
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
20,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1709
rating
565
debates
68.23%
won
Description

Good day, Mr. opposition. I hope this to be a fulfilling debate for the both of us.

It has come to my attention that there has been a growing stigma against being rich — or at that, any economic group that is not their own.

The poor make fun of the rich’s laziness and the rich of the poor’s laziness. In-between the middle class who seem to think of the poor lazies and the rich monsters. With this unfortunate divide, it should be in everyone’s best interest to not simply rant among like-minders of how bad the other group is,
but rather directly talk to and understand the other group.

And as a top 1%er, here I offer the chance to do so.

Beginning, I would like to clarify. Though I assume most (emphasize most) of the top deserve their money, I do not however believe all bottoms deserve to be bottoms because it can be thought like this analogy:

Santa’s Elves have been having difficulty making these new, more complex presents like consoles. Due to this, Santa only has 500 presents, but the good kids list has 501 children — each as deserving as the other. Who will be the one unfortunate child to not get this gift?

I hope this analogy clarifies that most tops deserve top, but not all bottoms deserve bottom.

Alright, now we begin.

Commencing, money — as we all know — is not simply given out to whoever asks for it. If someone has money, they’ve had to have done something to gain it. Let us go through the path of a top 1%er who has gotten there without starting any business or performing any businesslike money gains.

This means they will *likely* not be making any more money that 50$ an hour — I will try to be as liberal as I can for the benefit of the doubt. This top 1%er is doing the same amount of work as a bottom 50%er, yet the top has much more money than the bottom. What gives? Since they both have the same income, it can only be due to spending smarter. As the expression goes, work smarter not harder.

“But surely this is a rare scenario. After all top 1% is so much money,” one may ask. However, the top 1% is people who have 35k to their name. Not to mention top 5%’s minimum plummets to 5k. You may be closer to top 1% than you think.

From own experience, the more pay one’s job gives, the harder the job is. Therefore, I will turn the difficulty to high and assume a person makes 30 an hour. That is already a whopping 438k in 365 weeks. One would need to save 8% of their money in 7 years to be in the top. How about 20 an hour? 292k in 365 weeks, 12% in 7 years.

There is a simple plan for anyone to be top 1% by 25 or even sooner.

“If it’s that simple, why isn’t everyone doing it?”
Great question. Because people like spending.
Let us dig into this link some:

https://current.com/blog/the-psychology-of-money-saving-and-spending-habits/

This shows how majorly one’s attitude about saving plays into how much one saves.
Thinking that one doesn’t make enough money to save leads to one wasting more money. This unfortunate-ness is positively rewarded by our brain who loves shiny new things and instant reward.

Look at your past month’s spending, check every item and ask yourself if that really was a necessary buy.

Now we go to the tops who got there through business like means. It should be noted how brutalising and mentally torturous starting a business is. Spending 16 hours a day with routine nights of no sleep. It is an absolutely destroying process to get a business in float for the the first year. I know many owners who *all* share the same story.
Not to mention that in some cases the business owner themselves will be required to partake in the labor of the businesses itself.

—— I would like to controversially mention that first hand experience has shown that managerial work much harder than labor work. This goes with the trend with harder jobs getting more pay. ——

I will like to finish off by responding to a popular argument, “You need a rich family to become rich.”
To this I question but a few words:
Who started it?

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Repeated forfeitures.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

RationalMadman won in the first round. His statistics and sources citing the overwhelming advantage received by the top 1% in terms of college, university, and so on were simply too much to overcome. All Pro could do at that point was damage control. Pro never really refuted Rationalmadman's round 1 statistics, and if they couldn't do that, I think it is safe to say rich people simply get an unfair jump up from the rest, which creates unjustified differences in average outcomes simply based on heritage.