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#3653
Conservatives are more insecure than progressives.
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After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...
RationalMadman
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- 2
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Round 1
I appoint the burden on the opposition to open the debate via a rebuttal.
Conservative women are not so fragile that they think being a woman (or even trans where the conservative trans tend to fully admit they are playing a role and will never be a cismale or cisfemale) makes them less. A woman is a being that nurtures more readily than men and needs protection. They aren't afraid to fill that role and can take the heat, never need to resort to cancel culture unless the man/woman abusing them says/does something really severe and vulgar.
Conservative men are men generally speaking. For better or worse, they're thick-skinned and own their shit. You will not find them running much to authority to silence their opposition. They're the type to take all insults with a pinch of salt and go 'whatever'.
Progressive people of both genders are often insecure because they live in a world where when they feel violated in any way, authority must punish on their behalf. It's a tattle-tale ethos where handling one's own beef privately is considered either 'toxic masculinity' or just going to end up with the woman suing and destroy reputations later.
I know I am exaggerating here but that's the core case.
A conservative hobo says 'I am homeless and that's my fault' even if it isn't. They own their life situation, take reponsibility and either move up or feel they are where they are for 'secure' reasons. A progressive hobo says 'I am homeless because of my life and the system has to save me'. Even if this is correct ethically, the position is fundamentally based on insecurity.
Round 2
Forfeited
Get cucked, soyboy
Thanks for comments regardless.
As you won’t comment any further, neither will I.
Have a good one!
Conservatives tend to think Marxist critiques of capitalism are good. They strongly disagree on Marxist ways of fixing the problem (communism). Most conservatives are aware that capitalism isn't perfect. I've never heard a conservative says its a good thing people grow up in one parent households or the fact some kids cant go college. They just don't think communism is any better an alternative. I am not a communist, but the statistics on their insane levels of mental illness speak for themselves. I get the sense you have an unjustified leap of logic in believing more empathy equals more mental strength. I could easily claim a clear divide in that and say it only shows more mental strength when it comes to helping others but not yourself.
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Even that I would argue is false, people are as only strong as their reasons. If you don't even believe you have free will, whatever reason you have will always be held back by your self-belief. Although I wont comment further, its your debate.
I agree with your main point. Nonetheless, I disagree with your point in being conservatives are mentally stronger.
Your statement essentially propounds that conservatives are ‘mentally stronger’ as they do not value empathy as much as progressives do. However I would say that empathy is what creates mental strength.
To immediately accept some for what it is (e.g. poverty, health) is not resilient. If we accept, let’s say, poorer health care as a given, then we get no closer to a solution. If there is a way for everyone to be healthy, then us as a collective should try to achieve it.
If we suffer certain problems that can be resolved, then we should blame the thing preventing the resolution.
They're at similar levels of insecurity, but conservatives more. Conservatives, despite this, are still mentally stronger and more resilient to the troubles of life. Courage isn't having no fear, but being able to face what you fear. Leftists blame their lack of health and drive in life on other people, institutions, and determinism. At least overweight conservatives own the fact that they are fat for their own decisions. Conservatives are more insecure precisely because they're more willing to face and accept hard facts of reality. Leftists will generally try to ignore or reason away these facts, so they feel like they don't have to face the fact that they ultimately have the final say over their emotional well being. This is a hard thing for many to accept. It has a lot of responsibility.