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It is more biologically and logically sound of man to have greater sexual attraction over a busty woman.
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Mall
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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
Pretty extensive title but I couldn't come to an agreement for alternatives.
Perhaps, "it is more logical that men find voluptuous women more attractive ." But less physiologically sound as vice versa. Oh well, somewhat terse but not so much.
The flip side of course is it making less sense for men to be attracted to very, very slender woman physically.
I brought this up in a previous debate if not mistaken, about the science of sex appeal. A documentary I think most were apprehensive about to avoid the reality or truth that would conflict their views.
But so be it, the truth can hurt like being told you have cancer or finding out that a tooth has to come out, ouch.
Any questions, comments, protests, please save them until the challenge is accepted. After that, it's like a new law that has passed. No point in petitioning any further.
Round 1
Pro
#1
I want to reiterate this here in regards to what is looked at winning and losing.
Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
So to those who are confused or misunderstand the point of these debates, people can read , take from these debates what they will. It's not about championships or the best of the best.
These things are setup to challenge, not just plain forum discussions.
Now to digress and on to the topic at hand.
I've noticed, hopefully you have as well, that men are more attracted or finding larger mammary features physically and sexually attractive.
Not only the bust line but also the buttocks, the hips and thighs.
Now the sexual urge to penetrate a woman for the sake of releasing fluid for fertilization and it's the very same woman with a heavy bust to supply that offspring with makes sense.
That is biologically sound. It is more so based on the correlation of the anatomical features linked to sexual attraction.
So basically all of these things physically regarding the woman that makes them suitable for motherhood, the more equipped, the more suitable, the greater the physical attraction.
It's already sound at the base level a man would be physically attracted to a woman because of these polarizing traits.
Now let these traits be even greater in supporting the biological function . It would be more sound correlating to more or greater polarizing traits.
Con
#2
It is not appropriate to be attracted to a hippopotamus, a cow or a whale in a sexual manner so why should men aim for women that resemble them?
#burn
#taboo
#cancelled
Come on Mall give it your best shot, let me know why you want us to go for those G tit babes that will sooner roll down a hill than do a star jump.
I am so rude and yet... I'm going to win.
Round 2
Pro
#3
"It is not appropriate to be attracted to a hippopotamus, a cow or a whale in a sexual manner so why should men aim for women that resemble them?"
I couldn't say why they should. I mean anything resembling an animal (non person) , that's going into the path of bestiality. That's without actually being there of course but obviously people can detect when they've encountered the same species.
So with that being said , men(persons) are physically attracted to women(persons). On a somber, genuine tip, stating that persons resemble animals(non persons) is a subjective assessment.
In actual objective reality, the woman(person) is, keyword "is" , is that of a human .
"Come on Mall give it your best shot, let me know why you want us to go for those G tit babes that will sooner roll down a hill than do a star jump."
Ok my wants have nothing to do with this. This is all the biological nature's doing. I can't, nobody as in no person can take credit for it.
It's natural for a man to be sexually attracted to a woman . Even more attracted to a bustier one on top of that.
If you don't follow that, feel free to ask questions to get understanding.
I don't see any refutations from you. I'm taking it that you don't have any. I mean it's all the truth.
It appears you've selected to participate for entertainment.
I tell you what, if you want amusement, especially if you're a man, you'll find great pleasure of the appropriate aged opposite sex.
Con
#4
Mall, you have given us reasons why men should be willing to have sex with women but not why it is more biologically sound to be attracted most to the bustiest women out there.
Round 3
Pro
#5
Quite the opposite. I have explained why it's more biologically sound or why it makes more sense that men would be, would be, not should be, would be.
I have said nothing of why somebody should do anything.
This is why I say if you're not understanding what I'm saying, just ask .
I'll try to go through this once more in the most basic of terms real slowly.
At the basis or at the base, men are attracted physically to women.
I didn't say they should be, I said they are as a fact.
Hopefully we all are understanding this so far.
That's the base and it makes sense why. I'll say it makes sense or more sense instead of using the terms biologically sound. It may be interpreted better.
It makes sense that the man is attracted physically to the woman.
They are attracted physically for the reasons that they are which is biologically related.
Men that find women on the more bustier or voluptuous side to be more physically attractive are from the same reasons related to biology.
Not saying that men should be because it's irrelevant or unnecessary for me to say they should. They just are for reasons......related to biology.
So therefore being more attracted physically for the same basis would make more sense.
Think of being dehydrated and you're in need of water. It makes sense(reasons according to biology) that water is needed for a state of dehydration (depletion of water/fluids). It makes more sense that the need for more water increases with an increase of a dehydrated state.
Just think about what the man is physically attracted to of the woman. By the increase, there's a stronger or greater attraction.
For instance of a man that is attracted to pretty or beautiful faces. A man that encounters a woman more beautiful than the last will be more attracted to that one that is more beautiful as they say.
Does that not make sense?
Con
#6
Can you explain to me why it is mire biologically sound to want am overweight and extremely busty women over a healthier and only medium bust woman?
Round 4
Pro
#7
Ok you didn't say whether what I said made sense or not so I don't know if you're getting what I'm saying.
Maybe this is why you are asking about why does it make more sense to want an overweight person.
You said "mire" but maybe you meant "more", ok.
If you notice, when you go back over what was said, nothing was said about being overweight.
Nothing was said about it making more sense to be more physically attracted to overweight people.
On the contrary, bustier females would be more healthier for prenatal conditions than women with a smaller bust .
The term busty as far as I know is referring to the chest size, not the over all weight.
So the female can have a small build, medium or on thick side, not necessarily obese but thick with an endowed bust .
Not just the bust but the backside, the hips, thighs , all that supports more for prenatal conditions.
This is the physical attraction that women have with men.
So as said, men are physically attracted to these features built for prenatal conditions and it makes sense why .
For men to be more physically attracted because these features are greater or more sufficient for prenatal conditions makes even more sense.
So just for illustration sake of what I'm talking about.
I want the best commute to get somewhere, something that'll suffice.
I go a route I like and it seems to work best or is pretty fast to get where I'm going so it makes sense that I take the route.
That is until I find even a better and shorter route. Therefore I like that shorter one more and it makes more sense to take it .
So tying that back into the topic, a man is physically attracted to a semi-medium build woman with a medium or large bust , makes sense. It would make more sense to that man to be more physically attracted to perhaps another semi-medium build woman with more suitable child bearing hips or even larger bust for the same biological objective.
Round 5
Con
#10
I will just like to make clear what the bustiest women alive look like so that the readers have the remotest understanding of what Pro has been talking about all debate as the most 'biologically and logically sound' beings for a man to be attracted to:
I also want to show you some women that are slightly less busty which would be more biologically sound to be attracted to as a healthy mate to reproduce with:
In this debate, Pro's entire case is that becasue some men are attracted to busty women it is somehow biologically and logically sound to be attracted to them based on absolutely no logic other than the fact that Pro is sure they are attracted.
Americans and Europeans — both men and women — believe that a C cup is the ideal bust size, according to an international survey undertaken by a medical tele consultation website. More generally, men and women prefer bigger cup sizes, namely C, D, and DD.
Over six out of ten women (60.4%) said that their ideal bust size is a C cup, compared with just over one in two men (53.6%). Overall, this mid-sized cup is popular with both men and women, in both Europe and the US. Note, however, that 35.3% of men prefer a D cup, compared with 30.5% of women.
Poland and Hungary differ from other European countries in that they view a B cup as the ideal bust size.
Is this ideal size in sync with reality?
Fortunately, the survey reveals that the British, Belgians and French have an ideal which matches reality, meaning it’s in sync with the average stated bust size.
For the other countries, namely Austria, Germany, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and the US, reality falls slightly short of expectations (in most cases, those questioned prefer a C cup, whereas the average stated size is a B). Poland and Romania are the exceptions in that their ideal is a smaller bust size.
This match between the ideal and reality means that most women are satisfied with the size of their bust. In Europe, over eight out of ten women (84.8%) with a C cup say they are happy with what they’ve got. This satisfaction rate is 72% for those with a B cup.
The survey was undertaken in 2016 by www.zavamed.com. A total of 1,000 Americans and 1,000 Europeans — 940 women and 1,060 men — were asked what their ideal bust size would be.
https://www.news18.com/news/lifestyle/health-and-fitness-both-men-and-women-think-that-this-is-the-ideal-bust-size-1386089.html
Men prefer medium bust generally and cerataintly not G and H level bust.
We received zero proof from Pro that they do, I asked all debate for Pro to explain why a chubby and severely busty woman is attractive.
I also got no indication why one who happened to be disproportionately massive breasted and not chubby would be attractive, though I didn't ask it Pro never implied it or explained.
Validity and Soundness
A deductive argument is said to be valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true and the conclusion nevertheless to be false. Otherwise, a deductive argument is said to be invalid.
A deductive argument is sound if and only if it is both valid, and all of its premises are actually true. Otherwise, a deductive argument is unsound.
According to the definition of a deductive argument (see the Deduction and Induction), the author of a deductive argument always intends that the premises provide the sort of justification for the conclusion whereby if the premises are true, the conclusion is guaranteed to be true as well. Loosely speaking, if the author’s process of reasoning is a good one, if the premises actually do provide this sort of justification for the conclusion, then the argument is valid.
Pro never proved the logical soundness.
As for biological soundness, it is inherently not sound or rational biologically to seek out the peak 'big' mate, here is why:
While some women long for bigger breasts, those with overly large breasts may inform them it’s not always a blessing. Abnormally large breasts, also known as macromastia, have been linked to several physical health issues ranging from pain to migraines.
Popular blogger Monica Froese documented her lifelong struggle with larger breasts in a Healthline article titled “5 Reasons Having Big Boobs Isn’t Everything It’s Cracked Up to Be.” She explained she often had a tough time finding a bra that fit right and her breasts got in the way of playing sports.
Buglino Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery delves into the medical issues that can arise from overly large breasts, and how to treat them.
Neck, Shoulder & Back Pain
Larger breasts have a tendency to pull the shoulders down and hunch the back, leading to poor posture, and ultimately, persistent pain in the neck, shoulder, and back. A study published in The Open Orthopaedics Journal examined more than 300 women and concluded: “Breast-related shoulder-neck pain is thought to result from changes in the centre of gravity, and large or heavy breasts may lead to continuous tension on the middle and lower fibers of the trapezius muscle and on associated muscle groups.”
This is amplified by the fact that women with bigger breasts are often wearing the wrong size bra. A 2013 study of postmenopausal women states, “Increasing breast size and how a bra is worn may have biomechanical implications for the loaded thoracic spine and surrounding musculature.” Larger breasts and increased BMI were concluded to be associated with thoracic pain.
Shoulder Grooves
If your breasts are extremely large, your bra may not fully support them—even if you’ve been fitted with the correct size. This can cause your straps to leave deep indentations in your shoulders. They may not disappear once you take your bra off. Purchasing a wide-strap bra can help, but may not eliminate the grooves entirely.
Rashes
Bigger breasts create the perfect environment for rashes to form beneath them. Your breasts will rub against the skin on your abdomen, causing friction, moisture and heat. A sweat rash known as intertrigo, an infection caused by a yeast condition, will form. It will appear in the skin fold as red or reddish-brown, raw and itchy, cracked, and sore.
Numbness
When bras don’t fit properly, your breasts can become numb. This is a result of the compression of small nerve fibers in the breast tissue or chest wall. Large breasts can also lead to numbness in the hands and fingers if they pull the torso and affect the neck position. This poor posture can lead to compressed nerve pathways down your arms.
Inability to Exercise & Shortness of Breath
The aforementioned woman who documented her problems with her breasts also cited inabilities and concerns about exercising. She felt her breasts bounced too much while working out, so she was embarrassed to go to the gym. Larger breasts also cause shortness of breath, which can be a contributing factor to quitting training. The weight of the excess tissue can constrict the natural movement of the diaphragm. A study published in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, shared by the National Library of Medicine, found participants were able to breathe easier following breast reduction surgery.
Headaches
Women often cite headaches as a symptom of having extremely large breasts. One study found that patients with macromastia who experienced chronic headaches or migraines can find relief after a breast reduction. Journalist Beth Ford Roth detailed her journey with DD breasts that triggered “blindingly painful headaches” in an article titled “I Got Breast Reduction Surgery For My Migraines,” for online women’s magazine Bustle. Once she underwent a breast reduction, she felt “free.”
I do not care if these arguments are disregarded, Pro never once gave you the benefits or reason to prioritise the big breasts, especially Pro never explained why they are meant to be attractive at their bustiest but opted to baselessly assert that men simply are attracted to it which has zero impact on the biological or logical soundness.
What is the "perfect" or "best" boob size?
According to the study, nearly 54% of men and more than 60% of women preferred breasts that were of average size.
It was determined that 35% of men and 31% of women thought that larger breasts were better, while 11% of men and 9% of women thought that smaller breast size was more ideal.
Why is Pro saying that all men are if only 35% have the big breast fetish? Why would that make it logically or biologically sound?
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Reason:
It is more biologically and logically sound of man to have greater sexual attraction over a busty woman
PRO argues that big tits are adaptive because they demonstrate available food for offspring, therefore men have evolved to find big tits attractive
CON seems to assume that big tits means overweight and compares women to hippos, cows, and whales in a profoundly misogynistic fashion
CON made no argument in R1
PRO repeats his R1 in R2
CON falsely accuses PRO of not providing a biologically sound argument,
CON made no argument in R2
PRO repeats his R1 in R3 plus some non-sequitur
CON responds with a classic STRAW MAN asking characterizing PRO's argument as about overweight and extremely busty women over a healthier and only medium bust woman. PRO never made any argument for overweight or for extremes.
In R4, PRO defends his argument against CON's straw man
CON forfeits
In R5, PRO extends again while CON gish-gallops his strawman but wrecks his own case with his data showing that 89% of men and 91% of women prefer a C or D cup when only 29% of women have a C cup or larger. If we can call the top 30% of breast sizes "busty" then CON's data shows overwhelming preference for bustiness.
Even so, the fact that CON made no substantive argument in four rounds and really only contributed misogyny and ridiculous strawmanning to the first four rounds and then thinks he's going to make up for it with a bunch of facts and literally figures without giving PRO any chance at response in the final round is pretty shit conduct on top of failing to contradict PRO's very simple sensible argument.
ARGUMENT goes to PRO. Nothing CON argued came close to refuting PRO simple, nearly tautological argument regarding bustiness as adaptive. CONDUCT also to PRO since CON's who approach was slapdash, disrespectful, and ultimately anti-persuasive
There's hope for this site yet.
try harder, lazybones
Message received, time to play your game.
Also, although this is indeed after the debating has started, but you didn't define "busty". To be fair, most of us wouldn't be specifically attracted to the bustiest woman on the planet(search her up).
Topics like this should be more suited towards the forums section. We would love to see you discussing more topics and creating them there.
Right now, it appears to me that you are constantly instigating debates that you are not trying to win, but merely criticizing in your own fashion. This exact purpose is what the Forums category is made for.
Thanks for educating me. I will change my sexual attraction immediatelly.
Your really getting extravagant with it, huh.