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Mall

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#3663

All of what Christianity is, has come to be to date is not taught or found in the Bible.

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Winner

After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman

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Publication date: 08.19.2022 11:24PM
Last updated date: 10.26.2022 03:15PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 29,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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RationalMadman

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

This is another one of those topics, if you think about it and or are sharp enough, you'll see is true.

Consider this hint about what denominations are, their derivatives.

That's all for now.

Round 1

Mall

08.21.2022 07:06PM

Pro

Christianity, all that the religion is today is not in scripture.

We have what is referred to as Christians in the Bible but not Christianity.

What's the difference?

About two thousand years worth of difference in teachings, doctrines, beliefs, denominations, organizations, cults .

There are many things in contrast to one another under the title Christianity.

For instance, Catholicism, Presbyterianism, Pentecostal, Baptist, Methodist, Jehovah's witness, Mormon, Seven day Adventist , Protestant.

The list goes on and on. No direction from scripture to branch off into these different directions.

Now in regards to folk that are Christians in name sake that make up or are blanketed under Christianity, what they believe, practice and or teach isn't scriptural and evidently not of the book.

These are definitely the ones or the faction that don't adhere to the book but claim outside revelation.

They will all fit under the title Christianity as an elective label.

This is why it is important to not mix the two. The scripture is very tight on the religion within it or type of beliefs in it.

It zeros down to holiness or righteousness. But to branch off into all these different avenues because of preferential parts of text, coming up with classifying different teachings of scripture, also not scriptural.

Such as the Calvinist view, the Arminianist view, the Trinitarian view and the Oneness view.

None of which is biblical to be classifying like this. It just goes on and on by man's discretion.

Something is either biblically so or scripturally false.

RationalMadman

08.28.2022 07:06PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

Mall

09.04.2022 09:48AM

Pro

I yield my case for now.

RationalMadman

09.11.2022 09:48AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 3

Mall

09.11.2022 10:55AM

Pro

Ok I rest my case. That other topic has got you busy.

RationalMadman

09.18.2022 10:55AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 4

Mall

09.19.2022 01:11PM

Pro

Now other people say they want to debate this topic but that's questionable. They don't have a case, you don't have a case.

RationalMadman

09.26.2022 01:08PM

Con

all
determiner, predeterminer, pronoun

A1
every one (of), or the complete amount or number (of), or the whole (of):

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/all

Murder is ruled out in Christianity, all Christian nations rule out murder.

Thus, Christianity has something to do with Christianity, meaning not all of it isn't relevant to the Bible.

Deuteronomy 5:17
17 “You shall not murder.
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Exodus 20:13
13 “You shall not murder.

Exodus 23:7
7 Have nothing to do with a false charge and do not put an innocent or honest person to death, for I will not acquit the guilty.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Romans 12:19
19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.

Romans 13:4
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Leviticus 24:17
17 “ ‘Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death.

Matthew 5:21
21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’

Romans 13:9
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-killing/

Round 5

Mall

09.26.2022 03:13PM

Pro

I said ALL of what Christianity is, is not taught in the bible.

Not some but all of it to date. So those that are not teaching what the scriptures say but are calling themselves Christians would make the topic statement true.

For instance, those "Christians" that say there are multiple ways to God isn't scriptural.

The scriptures say "I am THE WAY and the truth and the life."

You can read that in the book of John 14.

RationalMadman

09.26.2022 03:15PM

Con

#10

Yes you did. I pointed out an aspect of it that is true to the Bible.

Therefore, not all of it is not true to the Bible, since some of the all undeniably is.

RationalMadman

10.20.2022 02:46AM

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08.28.2022 08:30PM

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@RationalMadman

@Mall

I would have actually liked to have taken this debate, as a Christian.

But, to be clear, Mall, was your identification of "Christian" a person who tries to the best of his ability to obey Scripture and follow God, or a person who DOES obey Scripture 100% correctly.

Because I would argue that, either way, the Bible itself states a person can fail to follow Scripture perfectly and still be a Christian.

So what is your definition of Christian?

K_Michael

10.20.2022 03:06AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro doesn't contest that the commandment not to murder is found in the Bible and is also a precept of Christianity, as argued by Con. Based on how the title claim is worded, even a single positive example on Con's part is enough to disprove Pro's position. There is a difference between the Con position on "all of what Christianity is/has become IS NOT found in the Bible" and the Pro position on "all of what Christianity is/has become IS found in the Bible" The second position is much more strict.

Barney

10.20.2022 03:05AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

In spite of forfeiting most of the debate, con came back with a case that Christian values from the bible remain in Christian dominant nations. Which pro tried to argue an absolute, when the absolute was actually against him with how the resolution was phrased. That modern Christianity is not exactly the same as it was back then is obvious, but the resolution implies none of modern Christianity stems from biblical teachings, and with good sources con was able to show it is indeed a biblical teaching not to murder people.