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Modern TKD is a joke


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Tae Kwon Do is a martial art that was created by a Korean general named Choi Hong Hi. Over time, the name and historical associations would make the sport more popular, especially in places like the US. With many dojos appearing in the country claiming to teach Tae Kwon Do, the style would repeatedly become adapted and changed over time and in other words, nerfed.

Terms and Definitions-

TKD: Tae Kwon Do is a Korean form of martial arts involving punching and kicking techniques, with emphasis on head-height kicks, spinning jump kicks, and fast kicking techniques.

Modern: Involving recent techniques, methods, or ideas.

Martial Arts: All of the various systems of training for combat that have been arranged or systematized.

Self-defense: The use of force to protect oneself from an attempted injury by another.

Combat: Hand-to-hand combat is a physical confrontation between two or more persons at short range that does not involve the use of weapons.

Competent: Having the necessary ability, knowledge, or skill to do something successfully.

Efficient: Achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense.

Useless: Not fulfilling or not expected to achieve the intended purpose or desired outcome.


1. No forfeits. If you participate, you are expected to be fully committed to engaging in all of the three rounds. Forfeits are an auto-loss.

2. Burden of proof is shared. The burden of proof is a suggestion, but NOT a requirement.

Round 1
Welcome, mr.guynow.

I shall demonstrate how modern TKD is inadequate in several ways by proving that it fails a system of combat.

Burden of Proof
Terms and definitions are all laid out in the full description.
Since modern TKD involves current systems, I should win if I prove that as a whole, it is useless and in-efficient
Should Pro make the stronger case that modern TKD is useful for combat, then he wins. 

Contention 1.: TKD is embarrassing as a standalone art.
In order for TKD to work, it requires you to cross-train in other styles. But if your experience is a solo art like TKD, you will find that it serves no purpose in most bar brawls or street fights. While most combat fighters argue that you should have some diversity in order to be a competent fighter, you will find that some combat styles actually do operate rather efficiently solo against random people. 
Contrast TKD with Boxing for instance. A solid 6 months to a year of boxing training will help you defend yourself a lot more effectively in a fight than five years of TKD. And styles like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, while complex to master, will ensure you that you can avoid most fights with minimal effort.

Contention 2.: TKD is full of scammers.
With fraudulent companies like ATA, marketing their styles of self-defense as necessary forms of combat to young children and teens, it has made it easier for them to profit from the naivety of parents by taking their money.
When their brand is handing out belts like candy, it essentially comes as no surprise that McDojo’s are rising in popularity. It isn’t uncommon for TKD instructors to claim that their style of combat is civil while claiming that MMA is barbaric as a way to maintain the delusion that what they are teaching is practical. 

Contention 3.: The Offense is low-tier quality. 
If you watch videos of Olympic TKD, the most obvious thing is the absence of punching.
You can’t learn how to punch from TKD. (Skip to 3:39) 

They don’t teach you how to jab, cross, or hook. If you attempt any of the strikes performed in the video in a bar brawl, you’re more likely to sprain your wrist than you are to hurt the other opponent.
The strikes that work are mainly the head-kicks, but they are only effective at long-range and unless you’re a genius in manufacturing a set of circumstances to strike at the temple, it is too difficult.  

Contention 4.: They prioritize forms over skill.
Too much time is wasted on learning dance routines and choreographed stunt moves for an action movie and not enough time spent on learning if the techniques actually work. To advance in the sport and gain a new belt, you simply need to be able to perform all of the moves the form requires you to learn. 
Round 2
mr.guynow has forfeited the first round by not responding in time, thus conceding the debate as well.

This concludes the end of the conversation. Please vote accordingly.
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