USA must abolish Selective Service and make the Draft illegal.

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USA must abolish Selective Service and make the Draft illegal.

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AustinL0926

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Publication date: 02.02.2023 04:10AM
Last updated date: 03.07.2023 04:43PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 1
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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Round 1

02.03.2023 12:43AM

Pro

I am strongly against the selective service and believe that it should be removed. The reason is that, it forces people to risk their lives for a government which has constantly harmed them. The last time that the draft was was in the Vietnam War. In this war, United States went to war with a country halfway across the globe which was minding its own business. United States drafted soldiers for a war that was not defensive, nor was it morally justifiable. Of the people who were drafted, many chose not to go to war. These people went to prison for up to a decade.

Another reason why drafting people is wrong is because it affects very young people. At the age of 18, boys are supposed to go to school and learn more about the world. Not doing the dirty work of a government and risking their lives, physical, and mental health in a battlefield.

The final reason to abolish the draft is that if a government truly deserves to be saved, it should have happy citizens voluntarily enlisting into the army. If not enough people enlist, it simply means that the government failed its people and doesn't even deserve being saved or helped.

02.04.2023 03:51AM

Con

1. The resolution says that the US must abolish Selective Service and make the Draft illegal.

2. If any of these three critical conditions are proven false, then the entire resolution is false.

3. “must” implies a necessity. However, my opponent’s arguments only show that the US has a moral obligation to end Selective Service and the Draft – it does not prove that the US has an absolute desideratum to do so. In other words, my opponent is conflating “should” with “must”.

4. “and” implies that both systems must be removed. However, the Draft relies on the Selective Service system. [1] Therefore, if the Selective Service system was removed, then there would be no need to go through the trouble of formally removing the Draft.

5: “illegal” implies that the US needs to formally outlaw the Draft by criminal law. This is obviously a ludicrous proposition, since abolishing it would be far easier. In fact, whether a government program could even be criminalized is questionable.

6. Combining 3-4-5: If you, the voter, agree that it is possible to abolish the draft (instead of making it illegal), then it follows that there is no need to make the draft illegal. By the “and” structure of the proposition, it’s clear that the resolution is negated.

7. My opponent's arguments fail to adequately uphold the resolution, as I have shown - they merely support the proposition that the Draft is a bad thing and should be abolished.

8. In conclusion, if you agree with 3, 4, 5, or 6, then you should vote CON. Thanks for your consideration!

Sources:

1: https://www.usa.gov/selective-service

Melcharaz

03.07.2023 04:43PM

#16

no offense, but this is something that should have been talked over in a discussion, not a debate.
the way its presented looks like someone has a strong opinion, nothing more.
i challenge m.h.s to make a forum on this very debate and discuss with others.

02.03.2023 04:04AM

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@M.H.S

Perhaps.

02.03.2023 02:09AM

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@AustinL0926

Ok.
Also, did you see my argument yet?

02.03.2023 02:00AM

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@M.H.S

We could finish this debate, then you could challenge me to a topic with different parameters. Unfortunately, mods can't edit debates that are already started iirc.

02.03.2023 01:56AM

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@AustinL0926

Could I edit the parameters, or does one of us have to create a new debate?

02.03.2023 01:56AM

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@M.H.S

I've been called the Obi Wan of this site. I mainly just advise people, and ban spam bots.

Oh and I do agree with you that the selective service amounts to slavery. I would even argue that for Stop Lose.

02.03.2023 01:55AM

#10

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@M.H.S

I would assure you that Barney knows his stuff.

02.03.2023 01:54AM

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@Barney

You're either trolling me or you know your stuff.
Anyways, thanks for the information.

02.03.2023 01:53AM

I would be willing to do the same debate with more rounds, if my opponent wishes so.

02.03.2023 01:53AM

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@M.H.S

You could challenge con to another debate using the same R1, or even if you both agree to it launch the other with more rounds and delete this one (moderators would do the deleting for you should both sides consent).

02.03.2023 01:52AM

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@M.H.S

Must is a good line to have inside your arguments. However, you're trying to imply a moral imperative, not something which absolutely must occur. It's good to frame resolutions for lower certainty than your arguments anyways.

Another problem of must statements, is they imply an "or else" but rarely contain them. "I must eat," is false, since I can technically starve myself and die. While one option is infinitely superior, there still is an option.

Something you may find useful:
tiny.cc/DebateArt

02.03.2023 01:48AM

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@Barney

I didn't know that I couldn't defend my case in a single-round debate. I'll make sure to not do it again.

02.03.2023 01:46AM

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@Barney

"Ought" is too weak of a word for the situation. I think "must" is the most appropriate word considering that the topic is about a form of slavery.

02.03.2023 01:41AM

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@M.H.S

"must" is almost impossible to prove. "Ought" is the term you're looking for.

Also, debates which are single round, do not let you defend your case against even the weakest of refutations.

02.03.2023 01:34AM

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@Intelligence_06

I meant that the government should end the draft for good.

Intelligence_06

02.03.2023 12:47AM

"Make the draft illegal"

I don't think making it illegal is the word choice to go as the draft is issued by a governmental agency.