Instigator / Pro
0
1500
rating
8
debates
12.5%
won
Topic
#4124

Islam is the summarised religion of Jewish and Christian

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
0
3

After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
3
1709
rating
565
debates
68.23%
won
Description

Let's have a safe debate.

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@Bella3sp

That was very clear. Thank you for taking the time :)

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@LolaLol

Your recap was mostly correct.

"- if the debate forbids it, one single forfeit can be considered as FF and as such, make a side lose"
Correct. Thats if the debate forbids it, this all depends on the description and/or the amount of rounds you forfeit. Such as if there were 8 rounds, only forfeiting one of them can not make someone lose a point towards arguments. But lets say that theres 2 rounds and that person forfeited one, they (voters) could vote against them for arguments and conduct if the voter chooses. Also, there are debates that in the description state "forfeiting = concession" meaning if the person forfeited, voters must keep in mind the rules of the debate. Which would usually results in the loss of a concession, meaning all points (or important) points goes towards the other.

"- If one forfeits more than 40%, he may just have a poor conduct vote"
This goes for the multiple citations. Not only, but voters are able to vote against pro or con on arguments as well because its 40% or more forfeits by pro or con. Same applies for winner selection, you can vote against pro or con for that reason.

Check out my vote on this 'debate' if it better explains.

"- If so, the voter may give "conduct" vote to the opponent without giving explanation"
Usually the vote against con or pro would say "forfeited round(s)", which is the explanation.

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@LolaLol

In this debate my opponent plagiarised their round 1 for starters but ignoring that, you can just vote Pro because Pro forfeited after they posted their opening Round and didn't argue since.

You can do whatever you want, I am not sure the issue. The voters can still penalise people posting just 'gg' in their votes but look what I was against here.

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@RationalMadman

I still believe it's up to the voter.

I have a few other things to say, but I think i've mostly said them, so i'll leave it here.

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@RationalMadman
@Bella3sp

thank you. I will try to recap it :)

- if the debate forbids it, one single forfeit can be considered as FF and as such, make a side lose
- If one forfeits more than 40%, he may just have a poor conduct vote
- If so, the voter may give "conduct" vote to the opponent without giving explanation

@RationalMadman:
You say "If I post as little as 'gg' I count as not technically forfeiting. The key to not technically forfeiting isn't to avoid the 40% as much as to avoid FF" " in the scenario one forfeits 40%+ but did not FF, you can only give conduct without explanation, not arguments etc."

so if someone simply "argues" "gg", as a voter, I will have to vote for his "gg" argument and explain the why of my vote?

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@Bella3sp

Yes in 'choose winner' it gives the total win. If you forfeit 40% but don't FF the person can only give conduct without explanation in the four-section system.

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@RationalMadman

"If, after Round 1 of your arguments (even if the first round you argue is the penultimate Round) you forfeit, that counts as a pure FF on the rules. If I post as little as 'gg' I count as not technically forfeiting. The key to not technically forfeiting isn't to avoid the 40% as much as to avoid FF."

Depends on the voter, but kinda.

"The difference isn't in this debate as it's 'winner selection' but in the scenario one forfeits 40%+ but did not FF, you can only give conduct without explanation, not arguments etc."

"but by the choice of one side to miss at least 40% of the debate, the requirement ceases. And yes, this does apply to Choose Winner, which otherwise would not allow conduct to be the sole determinant)."

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@RationalMadman

My bad. I wasn't reading the entire description and was talking in general without reading it.. i'll update my response.

I'm not into religion all that much, I wouldn't know.

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@Bella3sp
@LolaLol

I will make this clear:

If, after Round 1 of your arguments (even if the first round you argue is the penultimate Round) you forfeit, that counts as a pure FF on the rules. If I post as little as 'gg' I count as not technically forfeiting. The key to not technically forfeiting isn't to avoid the 40% as much as to avoid FF.

The difference isn't in this debate as it's 'winner selection' but in the scenario one forfeits 40%+ but did not FF, you can only give conduct without explanation, not arguments etc.

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@Bella3sp

well no, I lost it because the description says don't forfeit. Also that debate after the site update made it unrated is so stale to me.

Arguing that Islam is authoritarian is like arguing that bread has starch.

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@LolaLol

Per the rules of DebateArt, "but by the choice of one side to miss at least 40% of the debate, the requirement ceases."

As for the debate against Yassine and RationalMadMan, with his forfeit, it won't affect him terribly. The 'worst' that will happen is giving a point of conduct to Yassine.
RationalMadMan didn't forfeit 50% of his arguments, he only forfeited one of four.

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@RationalMadman
@Yassine
@Intelligence_06

Hello

@Intelligence_06: As i am new and trying to understand the voting system, can you please elaborate on the why of your vote?

Indeed, I see PRO has forfeited but the absence of rules for this debate implies that forfeit isnt automatically a loss. Or, am I wrong?

RationalMadman brings not proof or references to assert his arguments.

Also, when he used the same unargumented claims in another debate against Yassine, he forfeited https://www.debateart.com/debates/3939-islam-does-not-encourage-authoritarianism
So, what weighted in favor of CON ?

Hoping to learn more, thanks for your help!

ps: @RationalMadman sorry, it isnt against you, I am just trying to understand how to vote in future debates. You obviously make great points in many debates :)