Is abortion murder from the point of conception?
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This debate will cover all stages of pregnancy but will not cover cases of rape, the removal of ectopic pregnancies, or abortions performed to save the life of the mother. It will also not cover legality. Murder will be defined here in the moral sense. The burden of proof is shared.
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Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being.
The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote.
The more common late-term abortion methods are the classic D&E and induction. [Induction] usually involves injecting digoxin or another substance into the fetal heart to kill it, then dilating the cervix and inducing labor...Classic D&E is accomplished by dismembering the fetus inside the uterus with instruments and removing the pieces through an adequately dilated cervix.
Either way, that’s respectable.
I lack the fortitude to do that.
First it was one, then a clone of it with an extra round… it just kinda spiraled with being able to hold pro’s arguments in my head and see the different ways people tried to refute them. I will not be making a habit of this.
You must have a lot of patience to read all these same debates and vote.
I plan on voting before time has run out.
Saw your vote. Will be interested to see what arguments you use.
Only 4 days left to vote!
Can't promise it, but I should be able to get a vote up before the end of the voting period.
Push, only 5 days left
Plz vote! Deadline is quick.
This isn’t a Rated debate, so I wouldn’t worry anyway.
But fear not, I’ll vote before the deadline. Even if I slack off till the last minute.
Plz vote! Voting period is only one week.
You have a lot of confidence for a reply guy who can't defend his arguments.
Your delusions of grandeur are hilarious.
And your obnoxious pomposity is duly noted.
False. I am less intelligent for having read your arguments. Perhaps you can present your opinions in a formal debate, where I can correct them.
No, you did NOt tell me anything that I didn’t already know.
I know everything about the issues of abortion. Everything. You and your ilk do not.
Just a moment ago you defended your position with a legal statute. So does the reply you linked to. So it appears I did tell you something you didn't know.
I invite you to read my recent reply to another clown arguing against abortion here: #8
No shit sherlock. Tell me something that I do not already know. FFS! *facepalm*
Abortion was around long before the US legal system. Besides, immoral things are legal all the time.
Abortion and the law are not mutually exclusive; they are tightly wound with one another. You cannot argue one without the other.
This debate isn't over legality, so I'm not sure why you're citing a legal statute. But I'd be happy to debate you on the same topic once this one is over.
"To argue that abortion is not killing an innocent human being, also known as murder, my opponent must establish that an unborn child is not human..."
~ There is only one mammalian species on this planet that possesses the level of sentience that human beings do, and that species is homo sapiens. As such, homo sapiens - i.e., human beings - are the only ones having debates/discussions about "abortion" rights of female human beings. Not any other species. To levy such a demand demonstrates that the one making said demand knows less than they think they know about the topic at hand.
You're also conflating a pregnancy with being [a] human being, which it is not; not for the legal purposes of establishing the legal felonious crime of murder. A pregnancy has NO legal rights under law. The personal liberty rights of the girl/female take precedence over any internal matter. What is in and of her body is under the auspices of her control and none other.
Murder requires an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being for it to be, "murder."
"...that an unborn child is not innocent..."
~ "innocence" is completely and utterly irrelevant in this debate/discussion. It has absolutely nothing to do with guilt, innocence, spirts, souls, or religion.
"... or that abortion does not involve killing an unborn child."
~ Using the term "child" is a flagrant misnomer. A pregnancy =/= [a] child. Potentiality =/= Actuality. Never has. Never will.
A pregnancy has ZERO rights. 1 USC 8: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8
As this statute makes perfectly clear (predicated on the 14th Amendment), one must be born before they are bestowed all the rights, privileges and equal protection of the laws.
Pretty sure an abortion is not a flock of crows. 🙃