Instigator / Pro
4
1485
rating
11
debates
63.64%
won
Topic
#4266

Is abortion murder from the point of conception?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
4
0

After 4 votes and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

the_viper
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Twelve hours
Max argument characters
4,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
0
1522
rating
14
debates
28.57%
won
Description

This debate will cover all stages of pregnancy but will not cover cases of rape, the removal of ectopic pregnancies, or abortions performed to save the life of the mother. It will also not cover legality. Murder will be defined here in the moral sense. The burden of proof is shared.

All arguments given MUST be at least 3,500 characters to prove that both participants are committed to the debate. Failure to adhere to this will result in a loss.

Forfeiting a round will result in a loss.

To clarify, the first person to forfeit or break the character rule loses immediately, after that the rules no longer apply.

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@Barney

Either way, that’s respectable.
I lack the fortitude to do that.

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@Sir.Lancelot

First it was one, then a clone of it with an extra round… it just kinda spiraled with being able to hold pro’s arguments in my head and see the different ways people tried to refute them. I will not be making a habit of this.

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@Barney

You must have a lot of patience to read all these same debates and vote.

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@the_viper
@BennyEmerald

I plan on voting before time has run out.

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@Sir.Lancelot

Saw your vote. Will be interested to see what arguments you use.

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@SkepticalOne
@TheUnderdog
@Best.Korea

Only 4 days left to vote!

Push

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@whiteflame

Sounds good

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@the_viper

Can't promise it, but I should be able to get a vote up before the end of the voting period.

Push, only 5 days left

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@Decisively_Conservatist

Plz vote! Deadline is quick.

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@the_viper

This isn’t a Rated debate, so I wouldn’t worry anyway.

But fear not, I’ll vote before the deadline. Even if I slack off till the last minute.

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@RationalMadman
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Novice_II
@Sir.Lancelot

Plz vote! Voting period is only one week.

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@TWS1405_2

You have a lot of confidence for a reply guy who can't defend his arguments.

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@the_viper

Bwahaahaaahaaa!!!
Your delusions of grandeur are hilarious.
And your obnoxious pomposity is duly noted.
LoL 😂

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@TWS1405_2

False. I am less intelligent for having read your arguments. Perhaps you can present your opinions in a formal debate, where I can correct them.

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@the_viper

No, you did NOt tell me anything that I didn’t already know.

I know everything about the issues of abortion. Everything. You and your ilk do not.

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@TWS1405_2

Just a moment ago you defended your position with a legal statute. So does the reply you linked to. So it appears I did tell you something you didn't know.

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@the_viper

I invite you to read my recent reply to another clown arguing against abortion here: #8
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9047/posts/378916

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@the_viper

No shit sherlock. Tell me something that I do not already know. FFS! *facepalm*

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@TWS1405_2

Abortion was around long before the US legal system. Besides, immoral things are legal all the time.

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@the_viper

Abortion and the law are not mutually exclusive; they are tightly wound with one another. You cannot argue one without the other.

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@TWS1405_2

This debate isn't over legality, so I'm not sure why you're citing a legal statute. But I'd be happy to debate you on the same topic once this one is over.

"To argue that abortion is not killing an innocent human being, also known as murder, my opponent must establish that an unborn child is not human..."

~ There is only one mammalian species on this planet that possesses the level of sentience that human beings do, and that species is homo sapiens. As such, homo sapiens - i.e., human beings - are the only ones having debates/discussions about "abortion" rights of female human beings. Not any other species. To levy such a demand demonstrates that the one making said demand knows less than they think they know about the topic at hand.

You're also conflating a pregnancy with being [a] human being, which it is not; not for the legal purposes of establishing the legal felonious crime of murder. A pregnancy has NO legal rights under law. The personal liberty rights of the girl/female take precedence over any internal matter. What is in and of her body is under the auspices of her control and none other.

Murder requires an already born human being taking the life of another already born human being for it to be, "murder."

"...that an unborn child is not innocent..."

~ "innocence" is completely and utterly irrelevant in this debate/discussion. It has absolutely nothing to do with guilt, innocence, spirts, souls, or religion.

"... or that abortion does not involve killing an unborn child."

~ Using the term "child" is a flagrant misnomer. A pregnancy =/= [a] child. Potentiality =/= Actuality. Never has. Never will.
A pregnancy has ZERO rights. 1 USC 8: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

As this statute makes perfectly clear (predicated on the 14th Amendment), one must be born before they are bestowed all the rights, privileges and equal protection of the laws.

Pretty sure an abortion is not a flock of crows. 🙃