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Topic
#4386
Women should only date men with the same or higher body count as them
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Winner & statistics
Winner
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After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...
Bella3sp
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- Number of rounds
- 2
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 10,000
- Voting period
- One week
- Point system
- Winner selection
- Voting system
- Open
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1524
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Round 1
Pro
#1
Well I think the reason why I say women instead of men and women is because majority of Women in comparison to men has more bargaining powers than men when finding someone date, so if females wants to choose who they want to go out with men should be able to avoid females that they wouldn't normally go for in their preferential circumstances and lower the overall risk of men bending or suppressing their own ideals to a have a relationship with a female. As this will generally improve the matchmaking of relationships.
Con
#2
Position: Women should not only date men with the same or higher body count as them.
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Pro must answer the following:
- Why does this only apply to one gender and one sexual orientation?
- What does the body count have to do with the success of your relationship? Well, your resolution at that point, the correct words would be, what does the body count have to do with you dating someone as long as you love them?
Contentions
I. Preferences differ
What if a woman wants to date someone who has a lower body count than them? If this is what someone prefers, that's what they prefer. They should and are able to date whomever. It shouldn't ever be a requirement to date someone you don't want to date just because they have a higher or the same body count.
My main point is that sure, if you like someone (as a woman in this case) that happens to have the same body count or has a higher body count, that's fine. But not a term or condition to date someone.
II. Attraction in general
- What if a woman wants to date someone but they have a lower body count, now they just can't date them?
- What if they don't even care about body count?
This is mostly to forward my point across.
Refutations:
Well I think the reason why I say women instead of men and women is because majority of Women in comparison to men has more bargaining powers than men when finding someone date, so if females wants to choose who they want to go out with men should be able to avoid females that they wouldn't normally go for in their preferential circumstances and lower the overall risk of men bending or suppressing their own ideals to a have a relationship with a female. As this will generally improve the matchmaking of relationships.
First off, all of this is almost irrelevant.
Let me summarize pros ‘points’:
- Men should be able to avoid that they wouldn’t go for because of their preferential circumstances
- Lowers the overall risk of bending or suppressing their preferences
- Overall (conclusion) improves matchmaking of relationships
The first two parts of my summarizing are in reality the same things. Together they say the same things, men shouldn’t put aside their preferences and in the end you think it “improves matchmaking of relationships”.
woman have more bargaining powers than men when finding someone date
What?
"Men should be able to avoid that they wouldn’t go for because of their preferential circumstances" - summarized version
So I’m going to debunk this. You’re talking about men when the focus is the woman, per the resolution "woman should only date men .." which means we aren't talking about the men's preference, if it would be anything it would be the woman's preference.
Or do you mean this in a way that's like, women should only date men that have a higher body count or the same body count because men shouldn't set aside their preferences?
Either way, let me discard this idea. Usually when we say 'should' it implies 'must', 'have' or 'ought', also this is applied when you say 'only.' Are you saying they should deny their preference because you think a higher or same body count is the only preference? What if the man's preference (even though it should be women's) is someone with a lower body count than them?
Lowers the overall risk of bending or suppressing their preferences - summarized version
The same thing applies from what I said above.
However i'll respond to this in a different way.
As said, usually when we say 'should' it implies 'must', 'have' or 'ought'. You don't have to date that person at all, if that isn't your preference then don't date them. But that doesn't mean you must date someone who has a higher or same body count as yourself.
Overall improves matchmaking of relationships
Matchmaking? You mean someone is arranging who you're dating? You should be concerned about bigger things..
or
Do you mean that it improves the success of the relationship? If body count determines how good your relationship goes at that point, I don't know what to tell you. Do you love them or not? If so, that shouldn't be affected by body count.
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Overall what has pro proved here?
- Nothing
Round 2
Pro
#3
First of all I want to applaud your argument thank you for time time to challenge this question. With that being said is still think some of the hypotheticals you have used does not apply to the general census of women. First of all before make my other points let me answer your questions
1. Why does this only apply to one gender and one sexual orientation? - As already said a Majority of women controls the bargaining chip of an relationship over men. Therefore, their should be a restriction in place with such power over a potential relationship. However it the roles the switched it will still be the same rules for men over women (this scenario is rarely is the case in most relationships or talking stages for men)
2. What does the body count have to do with the success of your relationship? Well, your resolution at that point, the correct words would be, what does the body count have to do with you dating someone as long as you love them? - I understand your views however, its not about if you love them at the start of a relationship it vocalizing your ideals before taking the extra step within a relationship to maintain a health communication in the relationship. Furthermore, MEN only most MEN uses a females body count as a dictation of if the man would want to pursue the relationship with potential negatives that may trail the female e.g. Relationship baggage. With that being said this is only based of a majority of relationship but there has been relationship that has worked for people that has vastly different body counts and advance/more sexual experiences that loves each other I totally agree but as you may or not know that is rare in to todays dating space unfortunately.
For men, there can be societal pressure to date women who are perceived as sexually experienced. This may be because of traditional gender roles that define men as the initiators of sexual activity and women as the receivers. Some men may also see sexual experience as a sign of confidence or independence in a woman.
On the other hand, some women may prefer to date men who have had fewer sexual partners because they believe it indicates that the man is more committed or faithful. They may also be concerned about the risk of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) or unwanted pregnancies.
It is important to note that sexual experience does not define a person's character or worth. Every individual has the right to choose their sexual partners and explore their sexuality in a way that feels comfortable and safe for them.
Preferences on dating people with different sexual experiences can be influenced by a variety of factors, including personal beliefs, cultural and societal norms, and individual experiences. Ultimately, it is up to each person to decide what they are looking for in a partner and to communicate openly and honestly with potential partners about their sexual preferences and expectations. However,
Shared values: Dating someone with a similar sexual experience can indicate shared values and beliefs about sex and intimacy, which can be important in building a strong relationship.- Trust: Dating someone with a similar sexual experience can help build trust and reduce anxiety around sexual history and potential STI risks.
- Communication: Dating someone with a similar sexual experience can make it easier to communicate about sexual preferences, boundaries, and expectations.
- Comfort: Some individuals may feel more comfortable dating someone with a similar sexual experience, as it can reduce feelings of insecurity or inadequacy.
Ultimately, whether or not someone prefers to date people with different or similar sexual experiences is a personal choice that should be respected. It is important for individuals to communicate openly and honestly with potential partners about their sexual preferences and expectations to ensure a healthy and fulfilling relationship.
Con
#4
Pro, would you mind being challenged to the same topic with five rounds? Without basically conceding to my point?.. I will repeat this in the comment section.
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AI content was detected to be mostly made of AI. I ask voters to disregard the detection and vote based on arguments. I could careless if they have written AI detection, if I can't win a debate against an AI written text then they win.
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Extending the following:
I. Preferences differ
II. Attraction in general
Both were never touched and therefore dropped.
Refutations:
First of all I want to applaud your argument thank you for time time to challenge this question.
Thank you, likewise. I'm more impressed, if that's the word, that you stayed instead of logging off forever.
With that being said is still think some of the hypotheticals you have used does not apply to the general census of women. First of all before make my other points let me answer your questions
These are not hypothetical ideas, you also never contested my ideas. Is it true that people have different preferences? Yes, that's true. Is it true some people don't care about body count in general? Yes. My statements were not hypothetical. This isn't for the sake of the argument, testing or based on 'limited' knowledge. Have you heard of something called 'asexual'? If you identify as asexual, you may experience a little sexual attraction or none at all. You may experience other forms of attraction. Not everyone is asexual, and even if you're not asexual there are some people who don't care about body count.
1. Why does this only apply to one gender and one sexual orientation? - As already said a Majority of women controls the bargaining chip of an relationship over men. Therefore, their should be a restriction in place with such power over a potential relationship. However it the roles the switched it will still be the same rules for men over women (this scenario is rarely is the case in most relationships or talking stages for men)
Voters, feel free to skip the questions.
Doesn't answer my question regarding 'why does this apply to one sexual orientation?'
If the 'rules' were to be switched, it should be included in your resolution. Also, how is that possible? If the 'rules' were reversed it would be:
"Women should only date men with the same or higher body count as them"
Men should only date women with the same or higher body count as them
That can't possibly happen.
"Women should only date men with the same or higher body count as them and vise versa". I don't know where the bargaining chip comes in a relationship over a man? Since when? By what evidence?
2. What does the body count have to do with the success of your relationship? Well, your resolution at that point, the correct words would be, what does the body count have to do with you dating someone as long as you love them? - I understand your views however, its not about if you love them at the start of a relationship it vocalizing your ideals before taking the extra step within a relationship to maintain a health communication in the relationship. Furthermore, MEN only most MEN uses a females body count as a dictation of if the man would want to pursue the relationship with potential negatives that may trail the female e.g. Relationship baggage. With that being said this is only based of a majority of relationship but there has been relationship that has worked for people that has vastly different body counts and advance/more sexual experiences that loves each other I totally agree but as you may or not know that is rare in to todays dating space unfortunately.
Voters, feel free to skip the questions.
Yes, it is about love. That's why you should be in the relationship, unless its just a sexual profit relationship.
You can vocalize your ideals, sure, but what if the man wants the woman to have the higher body count? Or the woman wants the man to have the lower body count?
I'm not sure if most of the DART community know about something called BDSM and DDLB. For the sake of this, i'll only mention BDSM.
BDSM = Bondage, domination (also discipline), sadism (also submission) and masochism.
Some of these involve someone in the relationship called "Mommy dominate".
Also, i'm not sure about most men. If that is most men, it can also lead into a toxic relationship depending on the circumstances.
"With that being said this is only based of a majority of relationship but there has been relationship that has worked for people that has vastly different body counts and advance/more sexual experiences that loves each other I totally agree but as you may or not know that is rare in to todays dating space unfortunately. "
I'm glad you agree with this. Meaning, in reality, you disagree with your own resolution.
For men, there can be societal pressure to date women who are perceived as sexually experienced. This may be because of traditional gender roles that define men as the initiators of sexual activity and women as the receivers. Some men may also see sexual experience as a sign of confidence or independence in a woman.
Alright pro, thanks for supporting my side of the debate.
On the other hand, some women may prefer to date men who have had fewer sexual partners because they believe it indicates that the man is more committed or faithful. They may also be concerned about the risk of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) or unwanted pregnancies.
Yep, once again pro supporting my side of the debate. Thanks, I guess.
It is important to note that sexual experience does not define a person's character or worth. Every individual has the right to choose their sexual partners and explore their sexuality in a way that feels comfortable and safe for them.
Yes, so you are supporting both my contentions. "Every individual has the right to choose their sexual partners and explore their sexuality in a way that feels comfortable and safe for them.", basically you're saying that woman can date men that have a lower body count than them.
Pro supporting my argument, yay...
Preferences on dating people with different sexual experiences can be influenced by a variety of factors, including personal beliefs, cultural and societal norms, and individual experiences. Ultimately, it is up to each person to decide what they are looking for in a partner and to communicate openly and honestly with potential partners about their sexual preferences and expectations. However,
However??
Anyways, pro supports both my contentions and my point. They are saying in a summarized version: "Preferences on dating people with different body counts/sexual experiences can be influenced by many different things and it is up to the person". Aka, if a woman wanted to date a man with a lower body count, it would be 'up to the person'.
Once again, pro has proved nothing but supporting my side. This is boring when you agree.
Shared values: Dating someone with a similar sexual experience can indicate shared values and beliefs about sex and intimacy, which can be important in building a strong relationship.
What if they don't want to date someone with the similar sexual experience? Some partners learn together.
- Trust: Dating someone with a similar sexual experience can help build trust and reduce anxiety around sexual history and potential STI risks.
How does this reduce potential ST(D) risks? 💀
Trust because they are experienced like you? This can also be vice versa, if the woman has a higher body count.
2. Communication: Dating someone with a similar sexual experience can make it easier to communicate about sexual preferences, boundaries, and expectations.
Communication can also be formed with your partner. Testing out things can provide your 'sexual preferences, boundaries, and expectations.'
Also, the same thing applies if the woman had a higher body count.
3. Comfort: Some individuals may feel more comfortable dating someone with a similar sexual experience, as it can reduce feelings of insecurity or inadequacy.
It's funny how pro is talking about comfort but won't allow women to date someone with a lower body count than them. What about that comfort?
Basically this doesn't prove anything for the pro.
Also, the same thing applies if the woman had a higher body count.
Ultimately, whether or not someone prefers to date people with different or similar sexual experiences is a personal choice that should be respected. It is important for individuals to communicate openly and honestly with potential partners about their sexual preferences and expectations to ensure a healthy and fulfilling relationship.
You have agreed with my position and disagreed with yours. Yours is saying that women should only date men with the same or higher body count as them. While i'm saying they should be able to date whomever they want higher body count, lower body count and same body count.
This also concedes to my contentions. Thanks for agreeing with me!
Conclusion/Overall Review:
- Pro has dropped two of my contentions, all of my contentions.
- Pro has proved nothing except helping my arguments.
- Overall, pro has technically conceded this debate by supporting my side. Of course, not an official concession.
- Women should not only date men with the same or higher body count as them because preferences differ and some people have a different factors that lead to their relationship.
Hence, vote con.
Criterion
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Tie
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Points
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Reason:
BoP failure. Con was able to counter everything with the fact that different people have different preferences, and a lack of benefits shown in throwing those out. Pro eventuality brought up STDs, but I could not understand where he was going with it; and there was also something about ho men prefer more experienced partners, which kinda goes against the grain of the resolution. Further con pointed out different sexualities, which invalidates the resolution when considering it would force lesbians to date men.
Also, it wasn’t until R2 that it became clear this about about sex instead of the number of kills.
I wish Pro knew how to argue this. This topic is kinda my thing.
I sure hope not the number of kills..
I put it through an AI detector
In my opinion I disagree wasn't trying to pursue that path of a political approach as much as you'd like to think the only reason why I somewhat side with the cons is because the there are some points that are valid and should be recognized that is opposed to the argument and vice versa. The fact that views are perceived as political somehow I'll never know but to say that it is AI generate is pretty inaccurate and brutal but if that's your take It look like didn't make my points clear enough within correlation to my own opinions.
Yeah, thanks. I was confused when more than half of pros arguments were supporting my arguments rather than against them.
The ladder half of Tainted's response is written by AI. That's why it switches to being politically correct and starts arguing your side.
Just because it's okay to be a virgin doesn't mean every woman has to date a man with the same or higher body count.
It's fine to have a higher body count than a man and be in a steady relationship.
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As far as my argument goes, I don't expect much from a two round debate. Maybe if it was 5 rounds, but it's not. So as of right now I won't be throwing out all my cards on this debate.
I very much agree even though I think it shouldn't be a law I think it should highly vocalized and at least let people know it okay to be a virgin before getting married instead of promoting this "late Bloomer" stigma
I don't know where people keep getting these ideas about women dating/marrying men who have the same body count or, in this case, even higher body count.
And why does this not apply for men?
This is one of the stupidest things I won't ever understand.
I think the ideal body count of every man and woman who isn't married is 0. Don't have sex unless your married. I don't think this should be law, but it's a recommendation.