Instigator / Pro
26
1500
rating
8
debates
56.25%
won
Topic
#4735

Abortion is always immoral.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
12
Better sources
10
4
Better legibility
5
5
Better conduct
5
5

After 5 votes and with the same amount of points on both sides...

It's a tie!
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Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
1,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
26
1300
rating
221
debates
44.8%
won
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Round 1
Pro
#1
Definitions:
Abortion is the termination of of pregnancy. Immoral describes an action that violates the natural law, which is instituted by God.

Argument:
The Didache states "You shall not procure (an]) abortion, nor destroy a newborn child” (2:1–2).
The Catechism of the Catholic Church banns all abortions.
Jeremiah 1:5 and Psalms 139:13 affirm that the unborn are humans and, therefore, abortion violates Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17.
Since religion articulates that abortion is always immoral and religion is the exclusive authority on morality, abortion is always immoral.
Con
#2
Immoral means that it causes evil.
Pain is evil.
Abortion doesnt cause pain.
Abortion prevents pain and all the other evils person would have to experience during life.

Abortion is morally necessary.

Child birth is murder and torture, since by giving birth to a child, you are causing that child to be tortured and die.

Will he get run over by a car? Be raped? Be murdered? Commit suicide? Die painfully from cancer? Be bullied? Be beaten up? Be depressed? Will he be a rapist? Will he end up in prison?

I hope you dont actually expect a child to thank you for putting him through that. I certainly dont thank my parents.

In fact, waking up from eternal darkness into the world of pain that will last for 80 years, only to return to eternal darkness again... I would have preffered to stay in eternal darkness. No pain there.

Life, on the other hand, is pain. Causing person pain is wrong. Causing a person to live is wrong.

Happiness doesnt outweight the pain, nor should we hurt people so that we are happy.
Round 2
Pro
#3
My opponent's argument from Round 1 contains two monumental errors.

First, the notion that all pain is evil is wrong. St. Paul clearly states suffering can be a moral good. He writes:
Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. (Romans 5:3-5 ESV)
Second, my opponent states:
Life, on the other hand, is pain. Causing person pain is wrong. Causing a person to live is wrong.
Arguing that not living is better than living is self-evidently wrong. Although every human will experience pain and many humans will mistreat other humans. living is superior to not living since life is a gift from God. To quote U.S. Senator Ted Cruz:
I believe every human life is a gift from God and we should cherish and protect and celebrate them. (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cruz-refuses-answer-personhood-during-msnbc-town-hall)
Furthermore, since life is a gift from God and all gifts from God are good, life is good.
Con
#4
I didnt know that I was arguing against the Bible.

Anyway.

All pain is evil.

Consider the following scenario.

You have to endure eternity in greatest pain. However, you can press the button to stop living and simply die and stop feeling pain forever.

Everyone will press that button.

Same scenario applies to life in general. Life is not a gift. Its torture. 

You get tortured and you die. What kind of a gift is that? Better not give people such gifts.

If God is good, why does he allow evil?

Good God by definition wouldnt allow evil. Good God would create perfect humans, not flawed ones. How come perfect God created a world full of death and torture? Would you create such world if you were God?

If you saw a drowning child, would God expect you to save it?

Why doesnt God save it? Cant bother?

Anyway.

Life doesnt outweight pain. Pain outweights everything. Abortion saves a child from pain, sending that child and that child's child and the entire line of offsprings straight to heaven. Cant get better
Round 3
Pro
#5
Sadly, my opponent's argument contains many errors.

First, any debate concerned with morality is religious per se. My opponent is welcome to cite any religious source.

Second, the scenario of having to endure the greatest possible pain for eternity sounds like the definition of Hell. Furthermore, aborted infants, according to Dante's Inferno, go to Hell since they have not been baptized (Inferno Canto IV. lines 33-42). Therefore, abortion results in causing the victim (aborted infants) to have to endure the greatest possible pain for eternity with no magic button to escape.

Third, C.S. Lewis explains why God allows evil to occur.
God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. (Mere Christianity Book II. Chapter 3)
Con
#6
aborted infants, according to Dante's Inferno, go to Hell since they have not been baptized 
What a great and loving religion lmao 

Sending infants to hell. I mean, are you sure that your God is not mentally ill?

any debate concerned with morality is religious
No. We just proved that religion has no morality.