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#4841

Any Muslim that consensually has been, is or will be in Professional Boxing and UFC (if involving striking arts) was/is/will-be a sinner that violates Islam. [Kritiks banned]

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After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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I have to do it unrated as mods are not protecting me from votebombing abuse and it's entirely exploitable.

For this debate, the real 'Islam' is defined as that deriving from the Qur'an, Hadiths and through early Islamic practises. The Sunnah itself is disregarded by both sides as I am not whatsoever only representing Sunni Islam.

I firmly believe that Muhammad Ali, Khabib Nurmagomedov and Mike Tyson as well as Andrew Tate and many others who engage in aggressive (as opposed to solely defensive) martial arts for entertainment are violating Islam and cannot claim to be genuine practising Muslims regardless of whatever other sins they do or don't do.

To strike upon the face and head is Haram and to be violent for entertainment purposes is also Haram. I wish to prove this in multiple ways. Do not expect an easy debate.

Troll Kritik angles like 'Islam is fictional and so you can't really sin in real life for a fantasy' and such are banned. No Kritiks allowed, genuine discussion of if it is possible that these guys aren't sinning in Islam while claiming to be Muslim is the focus.

bad he is banned(self), otherwise i would have debated him on this topic.

No, it isn't. Get off my debates now.

Rational,

The rivalry is over. Let's form a pact and start our alliance.

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@Barney

In some of his newer debates he was kinda chill but there have been multiple new-ish debates where he definitely wasn't chill even now in this mini argument he overreacted my point was that he calls alot of debates vote bombs when only some of them are i admit he has been vote bombed i was exaggerating when i said "nobody is vote bombing you" because i find it funny that he thinks hes some genius who cant lose a debate

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@MonkeyBara

RM has his faults but he is not wrong about how shitty last minute multi-account votebombs are.

He’s also usually quite chill about losing debates. It’s infrequent for him to report votes made against him.

I said i thought mps won the argument against you i dont think i even had you in my mentions and you didnt ask for clarity your a giant cry baby who blocks anyone who disproves your argument

You know most people still debating are pretty highly rated and rating doesn't mean much when most people just noob snipe also no wonder people are voting against you when you just concede during the middle of the debate

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@MonkeyBara

Okay, then there is either a sheer deficiency in comprehension or you are intentionally gaslighting me.

Either way, I am blocking you and you can troll as you want with the others, I am done replying to you. This is not the first time you have tried to get a rise out of me and when asked to clarify what exactly you mean, you divert into making me feel insane for asking.

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@RationalMadman

Yeah i read them i points still stand

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@MonkeyBara

They are targetting any rated debate possible. Three rated losses are massively different to three rated wins on a site this small, the impact on one's rating is over 100 disparity. I'd be top 3 rn potentially or *just* below Barney had I won them.

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@MonkeyBara

That was not copy and pasted, I wrote it just for you.

Do go and see those debates.

You have over 300+ debates and you provided 3 where you were "Vote bombed" you cry that people vote bomb you everytime you lose even the mods are tired of this you also say mods arent doing anything yet also say that they removed votes in time so wouldn't that be hypocrisy and you literally insulted me by saying
"Let me now show you what your ill-informed mind on the matter is spewing against and make you eat some humble pie."
This was copy & pasted and still cry whenever someone even says the smallest insult you are a complete hypocrite

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@MonkeyBara

https://www.debateart.com/debates/4685-rap-randomness-battle

look at the comments section, see Sting's previous vote and then see Lancelot's comment to Sting and the timing of their votes.

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@MonkeyBara

https://www.debateart.com/members/MonkeyBara/qualifications

you need only 3 1-round-rushed debates to qualify for voting, as the votebomber(s) against me have realised with their alt accounts.

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@MonkeyBara

Many have been deleted that you can't see as votes anymore.

Let me now show you what your ill-informed mind on the matter is spewing against and make you eat some humble pie.

https://www.debateart.com/debates/4604-rap-battle-sirlancelot-vs-rationalmadman

Please look at the last few votes.

Now, please look at the last 2 here:

https://www.debateart.com/debates/4751-there-is-no-trait-present-in-humans-and-absent-in-animals-which-morally-justifies-killing-animals

The ones remaining were a minority of the votebombs against me the rest of which were removed in time.

There is another debate that's rated that I predict will be votebombed into my defeat.

you know i cant even vote yet it would take atleast a weak for me to be able to and probably even more plus rm loses debates pretty obviously everytime yall lose you say its votebombing stop coping

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@MonkeyBara

I assume you are the next vote bomber account. Only vote bomber would deny seeing obvious vote bombs.

nobody is votebombing you they are just voting against you since they think you lost