Instigator / Pro
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1492
rating
4
debates
0.0%
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Topic
#4873

Troll debate #1 so RM can gain elo back [@RationalMadman]

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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15
Better sources
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10
Better legibility
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5
Better conduct
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5

After 5 votes and with 35 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
None
Contender / Con
35
1702
rating
567
debates
68.17%
won
Description

This is in response to the vote bombing attacks on RM's debates.

Only RM may accept. All points in each vote must be awarded to RM.

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@tigerlord

Comments about someone's vote on another debate, should probably me made in the comment section for said debate.

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@prefix

the debate from which your vote got deleted and you vote bomb again.
I am feed up from this stupidity.
what are you doing?
You even know the basics of debate and voting?
people fcking go do some fcking random forums posts to get voting privileges and then jerk around to mess debates which people has put a lot of efforts into.
this is disgusting.

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@Yesterdaystomorrow

Yeah. Some people even have several iterations of the same topic active simultaneously.

I am new to the website, so I'll just drop this question here:
If I post a debate, it gets accepted, but the other person never responds, am I able to repost the same debate to look for another contender?

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@tigerlord

To what debate are you making such a groundless accusation?

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@prefix

That is why you vote bomb my debate?

I feel bad not be the part of all the activities on the site. My work and getting tired after that has caused it, otherwise i would have done good debates with all those who left because of getting bored here. (

Now he is voluntarily banned. What the hell.

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@Savant

I was going to wait, in case of a quick vote bomb and a necessary vote.

However, looks like there's no longer a reason for that. But sure, credits are credits.

You won't be missed.

Nowhere there do I agree to a truce.

"Just so everyone understands, I never agreed to any truce with Lancelot but ironically Lancelot proceeded to post this:"

Umm, yes you did. Here is proof.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9787-dart-policy-proposal?page=1&post_number=24

Keep lying.

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@RationalMadman

Me and Lancelot are not enemies, we never were, really. He did help me too, when Oromagi was after me.
I pointed out I dont approve of what he does. I dont know if he is acting like knight Lancelot. I dont know what is he seeking to accomplish here. This amount of targeting is unhealthy, someone will get banned. Maybe there is some knight code making him do it. Maybe there is some belief that it is his duty. Still, what he does contains little honor and is overreacting. All he will do is get himself banned for nothing.

I do not support "troll debates"

Debates should be about FACTS not FEELINGS.

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@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi
@Best.Korea
@Savant

Just so everyone understands, I never agreed to any truce with Lancelot but ironically Lancelot proceeded to post this:

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9787/posts/407364

and the post just after it as well as this debate comment:

https://www.debateart.com/debates/4879/comments/56663

He is used to abusing people who cower away once he really digs in or snap, he enjoys seeing people 'break'. There are people who'd self harm, cry and feel truly shit after he posted the things I said as it adds onto other things he's said and done to try to make me feel shit about myself and make my time here hell.

I am curious what you all think.

https://www.debateart.com/debates/4872/comments/56664
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4871/comments/56665

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@Savant

We’d have to detect them in advance, but I could see a basis for it.

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@whiteflame

No I mean the account has to be x number of days old to have access to voting, not the age of the user. That allows mods to remove voted privileges from suspected vote bomb accounts before they can act.

Perhaps, I misworded it.

I was going to ignore you if you insisted on dragging on this "war."
You agreed to the truce which doesn't require me to ignore you, only to be civil.

What happened to not mentioning or acknowledging me? Lasted a day, I give you credit. 😆

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@Savant

We already don’t allow users below the age of 13. We could set an age limit for voting and enforce that as mods, but if someone is using other accounts to vote bomb, I don’t think it’ll do much to prevent that.

If the vote-bombing is what causes you to leave the site, then that 'win' is technically someone else's.
As I have said countless times, I did not arrange it and I am not the one pulling strings.

"Lancelot can only end up hurt if he hurts me from now on, so there is no point not accepting."

No.
If I wanted to, I would destroy your mental health all over again so you left the site for a second time with no consequence to myself.
And still remain unfazed and remorseless.

The truce is a courtesy, not a necessity.
I'm not refusing to attack you for you or myself.
It's because there is no point.

You agreed to the terms of the truce, but you keep breaking it.
It is possible for us to dislike each other and still be civil, but if you want to escalate and get personal, we can do that too.
We can call off the truce anytime you like.

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@whiteflame

I know mods can suspend voting privileges on certain accounts—is it possible to make account age a requirement for voting, or is that up to the site owner?

Voting will end Sept. 4 at 1:33PM. We will need to be vigilant about new accounts appearing just before then. Very difficult for a new account to show up and do three troll debates in only a few seconds, so that should serve as insurance.

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@Intelligence_06
@Average_Person
@Best.Korea
@prefix
@Bella3sp

Plz award all points to CON! Free credits for standing up to vote bombers.

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@Best.Korea

I understand your point, but letting the vote bombers get what they want with no recourse is probably the bigger risk with the message it sends.

I will help with the voting and everything, but I am not a fan of this risky idea at all.
If it were possible to have judges in rated, this would be different. This seems vunerable.

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@Savant

You are taking unnecessary risk for nothing. Noble as it may be, it would take at least 20 of these for RM to get back at 1800, to what it was.

And this is assuming none get votebombed. You do realize that its impossible to know which new account is votebomber and which is not?

Also, if it does get votebombed, you will be guilty. So is this at all worth the risk? If just one out of 10 gets votebombed, it negates everything.

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@RationalMadman

Well I made a bunch. It may take a dozen or so to restore rating.

Lancelot can only end up hurt if he hurts me from now on, so there is no point not accepting.

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@Savant

I didnt know you were the votebomber

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@RationalMadman

whiteflame knows about my alt already. I promise this is not a trap, and if it is, the mods can ban me.

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@whiteflame

I told you this was him

Lol...

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@Best.Korea

Troll accounts/debates will be easy to identify and ban preemptively since the mods know what's going on. At the very least, their voting privileges can be suspended. If we see 10 new accounts pop up, the mods will ban them. Only a few accounts were suspect, and they've all been banned.

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@MrPotato

And how would you know that? You seem to have some knowledge others dont.
You do realize they can make 40 accounts in two weeks it takes voting to end?

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@Best.Korea

The vote bombers don't have many accounts left, and they will easily be outnumbered. 10 debates like this should be enough to restore RM's rating.

Plus, RM would only get 5 to 10 elo from this debate, assuming it doesnt get votebombed, which it probably will.

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@Best.Korea

I promise it's not. The rules are very clear regardless.

This looks like a trap.

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@RationalMadman

Ready when you are.