Instigator / Pro
8
1500
rating
1
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#4949

Birth produces sufferring is temporal

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
1

After 2 votes and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

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Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two weeks
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
13
1500
rating
4
debates
50.0%
won
Description

P1: For any experience to be reframed, it must first exist.

S1: This means that suffering, or any emotion, must be present to be transformed or understood differently.
P2: Birth leads to a myriad of experiences.

S2: Birth can result in happiness, wonder, pain, joy, sadness, and every other conceivable human emotion and experience.
C1: Birth produces the potential for all human experiences, both positive and negative.

P3: Some perspectives assert that "birth produces suffering" as a primary outcome.

S3: This can be seen as a fatalistic or deterministic perspective.
P4: The human experience is diverse and multifaceted.

C1: Birth produces the potential for all human experiences.
C2: Asserting only that "birth produces suffering" is a reductive interpretation of the human experience.

P5: Challenges and hardships can lead to personal growth and deeper appreciation.

S4: Suffering, among other experiences, can be a catalyst for growth and understanding.
C6: Birth, by introducing the potential for challenges and joys alike, offers avenues for growth and understanding.

P7: Genetic breakthroughs have the potential to end suffering, such as curing aging and making humans impervious to harmful lifeforms.

S5: With these advancements, the inherent suffering tied to aging and disease could be eliminated.
P8: If suffering can be ended through scientific advancements, then its association with birth is temporal.

S6: The argument that "birth produces suffering" would only be valid in a pre-breakthrough context.
C7: In a post-genetic breakthrough world, "birth produces the end of suffering" could be a valid assertion.

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@Intelligence_06

Hey Intelligence_06,

If it's not a huge problem, could you kindly overlook this. Knowing pro's arguments beforehand helped me to accept the debate. Or I probably would've rejected since I agree with the title somewhat.

Wishing good health and without suffering,
Thanks and best regards.

Should I remind the instigator that the description is not the argumentative space? Ah well, seems that he already left way too early for me to say anything to him.