Instigator / Pro

1309

rating

274

debates

40.51%

won

Topic

#4995

In most cases, abortion is genocide

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Better arguments

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After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Intelligence_06

Parameters

Publication date: 10.11.2023 07:54PM
Last updated date: 10.28.2023 02:37PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

Contender / Con

Intelligence_06

1731

rating

167

debates

73.05%

won

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Round 1

Best.Korea

10.12.2023 08:17AM

Pro

Lets start with definitions.

Genocide:

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Abortion:

the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, resulting in deliberate killing of a human fetus

Abortion kills large number of people of a specific ethnic group

When you abort a baby, you dont just abort that baby. You also abort that baby's baby.

You also abort baby of that baby's baby.

So clearly, abortion kills large number of people who are of same ethnic group.

So abortion is genocide.

Intelligence_06

10.12.2023 03:19PM

Con

with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

I am gonna ask one single question:

Why do you think abortions are done with the aim of destroying a nation or group?

Without proving so, we cannot prove that in many cases, abortion is genocide.

Round 2

Best.Korea

10.12.2023 03:32PM

Pro

Why do you think abortions are done with the aim of destroying a nation or group?

Well, the only reason to have an abortion is to destroy "a baby and a baby's baby and a baby of a baby's baby."

"a baby and a baby's baby and a baby of a baby's baby." is a group located in the womb. We can say that they are an ethnic group, since they have same ethnic origin.

Intelligence_06

10.14.2023 02:27PM

Con

Well, the only reason to have an abortion is to destroy "a baby and a baby's baby and a baby of a baby's baby."

No, another reason could also be to just save the mother. Fact Check-Termination of pregnancy can be necessary to save a woman’s life, experts say | Reuters

"Genocide" is defined intent-wise. To kill a person because he is trespassing the land as an invader for the sense of protection is different than killing a person for the sake of killing him as the purpose, intent-wise.

Pro has not demonstrated that in "most cases of abortion", abortions are done with the original goal or intent of killing the fetus, rather than saving something else(such as the mother).

Pro is not and has not been fulfilling his BoP. Vote Con.

Round 3

Best.Korea

10.14.2023 02:31PM

Pro

Fuck abortion.

Intelligence_06

10.14.2023 02:37PM

Con

No new points nor recollections were brought up in the last argument for Pro. Vote CON.

Best.Korea

10.12.2023 08:36AM

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@Intelligence_06

@Savant

No, I did not meant homicide.

Savant

10.12.2023 03:01AM

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@Intelligence_06

Well, it's Best.Korea. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually meant genocide.

Intelligence_06

10.12.2023 02:55AM

Pretty sure you mean Homicide. Too bad I accepted it a few seconds ago so you can't change it.

Savant

10.14.2023 08:47PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Con gives an argument for why abortion does not fit the definition of genocide due to intent. Pro does not respond to this, essentially ceding that point.

Barney

10.14.2023 05:26PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro attempts to twist definitions into meaninglessness (by his definition, kicking someone in the balls is outright genocide), which con does not directly challenge but rather makes a counterpoint that at least half of all abortions are to save the mother... Pro wholly drops this, in spite of the source only supporting rare instances.