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Mall

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Topic

#5042

A parent has every right or right to dictate the type of relationships their children have or will have.

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Mall

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Publication date: 10.27.2023 02:16PM
Last updated date: 12.03.2023 08:52PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

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Best.Korea

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

Questions on topic, drop a comment.

Round 1

Mall

10.29.2023 07:43PM

Pro

Just to questions

Is it true that the law gives the right to the parent of a child to dictate in the best welfare of a child?

Would this include whom the children are involved with that can affect their well being and welfare?

Best.Korea

10.29.2023 08:13PM

Con

Is it true that the law gives the right to the parent of a child to dictate in the best welfare of a child?

Oh, you want to debate about legal rights. Umm okay.

The answer to your question is yes, probably. I dont know exactly because I dont read the law.

Would this include whom the children are involved with that can affect their well being and welfare?

Yes.

So obviously, its the law that dictates, not the parents.

Round 2

Mall

10.30.2023 02:37PM

Pro

"So obviously, its the law that dictates, not the parents."

The law dictates that the parents are to dictate.

Be it that you answered yes to those questions, I thank you for agreeing and conceding there.

Best.Korea

10.30.2023 02:49PM

Con

The law dictates that the parents are to dictate

You mean parents must obey the law?

Round 3

Mall

10.30.2023 06:45PM

Pro

"You mean parents must obey the law?"

I'm going to put the whole picture in frame. I mean children must obey their parents that obey the law.

Parents obeying the law was never a contention nor does it change the right given to the parent by law to dictate the relationship affairs of children.

So you can deviate a bit but I'm going to bring it full circle regardless.

Best.Korea

10.30.2023 07:01PM

Con

Well, since the topic is "parent dictates"

We have seen that parent doesnt dictate, but simply obeys the law.

Round 4

Mall

11.02.2023 04:32PM

Pro

"We have seen that parent doesnt dictate, but simply obeys the law."

Let's look at this example because I think you're either struggling to comprehend delegation or ignoring it.

There's a thing called second in command. Just because the person second in command takes orders, it doesn't change what they're giving to those under them orders. It doesn't change them to non orders.

So being that I brought up second in command, let's look at a military scenario.

The staff sergeant receives their orders from the first class sergeant to move his squad in position of infiltration.

Now the staff sergeant abides and follows this command. The staff sergeant gives an order to one sergeant to move 500 feet east. The first class sergeant did not dictate this order. The staff sergeant did as they been delegated to move his troops. The staff sergeant commands two sergeants to utilize a rifle while another squad member is posting lookout only. These are all dictated by the squad leader. It was not dictated by the one over the squad leader.

Likewise with parents, the state will require children to be schooled and cared for. It's up to the parents to dictate what school in what neighborhood and whom will teach, supervise or babysit the child. So the parent is exercising authority by right of the state. The state didn't dictate all these things.

By the parent selecting the school, they in turn dictated where they children will be placed in the presence of other children which in turn indirectly has tailored who the child will associate with in a relationship. Whether that is with a teacher, instructor or fellow pupil.

Now feel free to challenge all this, pick it apart, question it, counter it with new points.

Best.Korea

11.02.2023 04:43PM

Con

As I said, its the law that dictates.

Parents cannot dictate, merely obey the law.

Round 5

Mall

11.03.2023 08:03PM

Pro

"As I said".

Indirectly saying you concede .

I make all those points and get not one counter to any of them.

To the readers I clearly explained that there are ranks to authority. One rank dictates or give commands, instructions or orders to one rank , then that rank given to will relay or decide from general commands to make them more specific to ranks below.

It's the same way with an employer. You have upper management, assistant management, supervisors and employees. Supervisors get their authority from management but they've been still given authority. If they can't dictate, then that means they haven't been given authority.

I believe the opposing side understands and knows all this but just doesn't want to accept being wrong. Sometimes they'll be humble and concede, other times their best response is just to repeat a refuted point .

Maybe the opposing sides decide to hold points until the last round where I can't respond to them.

Case closed in any event.

Best.Korea

11.03.2023 08:52PM

Con

#10

I guess this is bye.

Mr.BrotherD.Thomas

11.05.2023 04:41PM

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@Mall

@Best.Korea

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Mall,

First thing, REREAD my post #1 in this comment section below! Therefore, your post #9 in the debate area is all for naught because you started out being totally BIBLE DUMB to begin with relative to the topic, and irrelative to Best.Korea's actions or non actions!

Therefore, I would suggest that you don't share your Bible Stupid Debate with any of your friends, or if you do, tell them PLEASE DO NOT READ the comment section because it makes me the fool that I am in not even knowing biblical axioms in the debate I was in at the onset, understood? You're shameful to TRUE Christianity, and in the eyes of Jesus as God for not knowing the scriptures regarding this debate! (Hebrews 4:13)

Mr.BrotherD.Thomas

11.03.2023 10:56PM

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@Mall

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Mall,

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE OF BEING BIBLE STUPID: "Is it true that the law gives the right to the parent of a child to dictate in the best welfare of a child?"

Why in the hell do you want to start off this debate in showing the membership that you are Bible Stupid by saying "is it true" to your statement above?! To save you from further biblical embarrassment, YES, it is true that Jesus' law as God gives the right to the Christian parents to dictate to their offspring the best outcome for them as biblically shown in the passages herewith:

1. "Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it." (Proverbs 22:6)

2. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right." (Ephesians 6:1)

Therefore the TRUE Christian parents are to indoctrinate their children into TRUE Christianity, in following ALL of Jesus' inspired words within ALL of the scriptures, understood?

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YOUR SECOND UNGODLY QUOTE IN BEING BIBLE STUPID AGAIN: "Would this include whom the children are involved with that can affect their well being and welfare?"

DUH! Yes! If a parents offspring go against Jesus' inspired words in the OT and the NT, and lets say, they associate with unbelievers of Christianity which is forbidden (2 Corinthians 6:14, then they are to be BEATEN like Jesus says in this passage: "Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you BEAT HIM WITH A ROD, he will not die. If you BEAT HIM WITH A ROD, you will save his soul from Sheol." (Proverbs 23:13)

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If the BEATINGS of offspring of TRUE Christian parents continues a long time where their kids can't walk because they're too bloody and bruised, then this biblical act must come forward in their behalf because who is going to argue with Jesus as God when He stated the following towards unruly offspring:

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ THEN ALL MEN OF THE CITY SHALL STONE HIM TO DEATH WITH STONES. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

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Do you understand TRUE CHRISTIANITY yet? Yes? Maybe? Just a little bit? Huh?

NEXT BIBLE DUMMY MEMBER LIKE "MALL" THAT STARTS OFF A DEBATE IN BEING TOTALLY BIBLE STUPID, WILL BE ...?

Savant

11.03.2023 11:27PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Con drops all of the points that Pro brings up in R4, simply repeating an earlier point that Pro's analogy was meant to address. Since the thought experiment about the staff sergeant goes unaddressed, that's enough to make me vote Pro.