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Is it justified to classify atheism as another religion?
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
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After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
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Round 1
Is it justified to classify atheism as another religion?
Yes .
Will I explain this? Yes I will.
The individual that made the comment has it right. The definition is important. The definitions of words are always important. Otherwise we can do away with words altogether.
Atheism is without theism . What is theism? A lack of a belief in the non existence of God. Did you get that? Can we all agree?
No matter which perspective you go, it comes out to be the same. You can call the tank half full or half empty. You're without a full tank.
Atheism is without God. You are without a full tank. You are without God.
Another way to look at this. The Laveyan church is/was formed by people who are/were atheists.
Need I say more?
I think often times when this subject comes about many forget about this church. I say atheists are religious and practice religion. People say no. Well it's exactly what they do/did in the church I just mentioned.
People that do anything including watching sports religiously are practicing their religion. Many of these people are also themselves atheists. True or false.
Therefore it is correct to classify atheism as a religion. It is justified to classify atheists as religious. Now one as an atheist may have a view of simply not being convinced and rejecting the belief of God.
But hey, we have labeled religious folk that can be characterized as lukewarm not really practicing a religion but called in name sake a part of a faith, denomination, church but not convinced to no God existing at all with rejecting all opposition otherwise.
Religion is a worship of the devil or God.
So, which one of these two do atheists worship?
Round 2
"Religion is a worship of the devil or God.
So, which one of these two do atheists worship?"
Both. You have those in the Laveyan cult inspired by the devil which is CALLED THE GOD of this world.
See even when you try or attempt to move the goalpost, it just backfires on you double fold.
I dare you to come back and deviate from your own standard definition you're going by that you know has nothing to do with my position. You can't refute me with something I never said. How about refuting me with my own definition? Is it too difficult?
I yield.
Forfeited
Round 3
Oh I yield. Take your time. Thank about your next response.
So you are claiming that atheists, who by definition do not worship a God, are worshipping a God? Like, how does that even work?
Round 4
"So you are claiming that atheists, who by definition do not worship a God, are worshipping a God? Like, how does that even work?"
I got a question. Have you ever heard of Laveyan satanists?
If not , let me educate you. Laveyan satanism was a RELIGION founded by an ATHEIST. I believe you can find online interviews of the founder. I'm not claiming anything except to a fact.
You're asking how does something work according to your definition. When you come up with a topic and we have to go accordingly to your definitions and terms, we can go over how everything works.
Now how does this work according to the religious atheists I'm talking about in this topic is, Laveyan satanism is a religion. It is a RELIGION.
I think you got that clear now .
It is a RELIGION practiced by ATHEISTS. Atheists practicing a religion are religious atheists, go figure.
In that religion there are beliefs in the freedom and power of Lucifer or Satan who has taken power upon himself to be his own god. These atheists are inspired and moved and believe in this type of thing this type of god and wish to model themselves after being their own gods.
So the atheists I'm talking about believe in the god of this world so much so to follow after him aspiring to be the same as they believe in themselves.
Religion is not just worshipping or doesn't necessarily have to relate to worship. It's a belief system and practice. Atheists believe in themselves and practice in accordance to what they believe. They believe no authority over them except their own.
Oh okay, so let me get this right.
You claim that Anton LaVey is an atheist who believes in God?
I got a question. Have you ever heard of Laveyan satanists
Sure.
Religion is not just worshipping or doesn't necessarily have to relate to worship. It's a belief system and practice.
Well if you define religion like that, then atheism is still not a religion given that atheism is a lack of belief. Atheists in general dont have any belief common for all atheists.
Round 5
"You claim that Anton LaVey is an atheist who believes in God?"
No I'm not claiming .
I'm going by interviews, things that he has said and the research. I mean is he or was he not an atheist?
Do we disagree with that right there?
Let's get that straight.
When you say "God", who in mind are you thinking about?
Let's get all this straight and not fight to argue for the sake of. Nothing wrong with being on the same page here.
"Well if you define religion like that, then atheism is still not a religion given that atheism is a lack of belief. Atheists in general dont have any belief common for all atheists."
This is why I asked you have you heard of Laveyan satanists.
Laveyan satanists who are atheists don't have to believe in anything to be a satanists. Is that what you're saying?
Then how do you know you are one?
Atheists believe there is no God. Question is, which God?
A theist is an atheist of a pagan god or a false god according to that theist.
A Christian is an atheist of the pantheistic god and to deistic beliefs .
We can argue it either way.
Praise Satan!
It'll all depend on how you define religion.