The Bible portrays a God that is pro-life.
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Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child (Samuel 15.3)
Samaria will be held guilty,For she has rebelled against her God.They will fall by the sword,Their little ones will be dashed in pieces,And their pregnant women will be ripped open.(Hosea 13:16)
Although David was a good king, there came a time when he did not choose to follow the Lord. When he looked across from the roof of his palace, he saw a beautiful woman, Bathsheba, bathing. This led David to commit adultery with Bathsheba. When Bathsheba became pregnant, David arranged to have her husband murdered so that he could marry her. The prophet, Nathan, confronted David with his sin. David’s heart was such that he repented his sin and asked the Lord to forgive him.But even confessed sin has consequences. In David’s case, the consequences did not include the sinner’s own death (12:13). But Nathan said, “The sword will never depart from your house” (12:10) – a prophecy that began to be fulfilled when three of David’s sons died violently. Furthermore, David would be humiliated in public (12:11-12), and his son by Bathsheba would die of an illness (12:14).
- God specifically chooses to slaughter the innocent children and the fetuses inside pregnant people when he commits a genocide.
- God murders children instead of their parrents who were the ones who sinned
- Lastly, God never forbids the termination of a pregnancy.
" I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." That's John 10:10"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6The gift of God , free gift is eternal LIFE as we read in Romans 6.
"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water" John 7.38
Deuteronomy 32:39 ... “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make ALIVE; I wound, and I heal: "
Thou shalt not kill." Exodus 20:13
Con shows God as pro infanticide, which intuitively is inconsistent with pro-life values.
Pro argues that the Bible is inconsistent on the matter…
pro-life is firmly anti-abortion, all the time, so this is a no brainer.
I can kinda see the point that with eternal life, abortions arent really abortions in a sense of destruction of life, but then again Pro talks of second death indicating that there is an end to life for some, but doesnt explain if fetuses are included or excluded from this particular claim.
The only challenge which I find to abortions caused by God in the Bible is that they are not actual deaths of fetus, but that fetus just goes to sleep and will awake again.
And the claim of fetuses being people went mostly unchallenged, which leaves me wondering if fetuses will be awakened or not by God after abortion.
Plenty of unknowns in this debate.
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"but you didn't justify why both sides have arguments and sources of equal quality. "
"My side and the opposing side can find texts to support our position, so what are we left with?
Well this verse comes to mine.
Deuteronomy 32:39 ... “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make ALIVE; I wound, and I heal: " "
Kudos to those who were honest about that. Shame on those who ignored it.
You do realize that you both used sources? And I dont see any problems with conduct, so really, I dont know what you are going for here.
Ah, I see. So you know that my vote changes nothing, and yet you still go around being upset because you assume that I didnt justify the arguments.
I am pretty sure that plenty of unknowns justify a tied vote, and you saying it doesnt would just be your assumption.
Yes, I am bothered by bad votes, even if they don't change the outcome. I also do realize that arguments are tied in your vote, but you didn't justify why both sides have arguments and sources of equal quality. I don't understand why you would vote at all if you are not going to put in enough effort to make a sufficient vote.
"Also, you wrote something about the debate that is simply untrue. PRO never claimed that fetuses are people"
I was talking about your claim, but yes I can see the source of confusion.
"explain why one side has better arguments."
You do realize that arguments are tie in my vote?
Really? You are bothered by a vote that doesnt affect anything?
I think our guidelines say that no sufficient vote can contain zero usefull analysis of the debate, and I think that description applies to Best.Koreas vote.
What you have written is not sufficient according to our guidelines to be a vote. You don't provide any justification for leaving sources, conduct and legibility tied. Also, you don't weight the arguments and counterarguments from each side against each other and explain why one side has better arguments. You don't even make any reference to the resolution of the debate. Also, you wrote something about the debate that is simply untrue. PRO never claimed that fetuses are people, so how could that possibly be a claim of his that went mostly unchallenged. I even wrote that "God doesn't count fetuses as human beings" in underscored and bold text, so I don't get how you missed that.