Ramshutu vs RationalMadman Rap Battle
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After 3 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...
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- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 4
- Time for argument
- Three days
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- Two weeks
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- Winner selection
- Voting system
- Open
Full on Rap Battle. 4 rounds. No rules.
Insults are expected, this is a rap battle. Whoever has the bet rhymes, insults and flow will be declared the winner.
Both rappers did better then I think I could.
I judge this without bias at all to any side. I think RM wins this by a good amount. I don't think it was RM just destroying him. I think Ramshutu dug himself a big hole to start, even though his disses were better than RM's
ROUND 1
Ramshutu: The rhymes are very good and the disses are well critiqued. For example
"It’s hard to be original against the guy that everyone’s dissed.
He’s gunna trying to make this into a dick waving contest.
Sorry bro, waving? you’ll just be jiggling at best."
I think it is a great diss and there are many others. But the flow is so choppy and have breaks of fast to short, it makes it read like poetry than a rap. This isn't bad, but RM is good, so he will write in poetry and rap verses.
RM: His disses were actually decent in this, I think his flow is superb, so I will give him the win here
RM 1-0
ROUND 2
This is one of the best round from an overall view of things. I think Ram and RM both have expectional flow and wordplay here and I think it is a tie for here. I do think that the disses come down to a marrow coin flip in this scenario. I do like RM analogies a bit more in this debate, so my vote has to go to RM here. This was RM's best round overall
RM 2-0
ROUND 3
Ramshutu digs a hole for himself in here. Long to short, short short, long, the flow is literally all over the place for him. His disses are pretty good. But RM just shits himself here. The wordplay is hard to flow, it is going all over the place, and is structured pretty, ehh. It isn't great and his disses never really stand out at all. It is, average. But RM wins this
RM 3-0
ROUND 4
RM sweeps. The flow is pretty good here and the disses are very well thought out. Ramshutu doesn't come close
RM 4-0
FEEDBACK
Ram: Fix your flow. I thought it was choppy and didn't make a whole lot of sense. It was very hard to rap too, but if you improved that, you would've beaten RM by a mile
RM: There were many times you would have lost this debate if Ram did not save you. If that was your effort vs an improve Ram or even me, it would lose. Improve your wordplay
I judged this on a scale from 0-4 using four categories, Flow, Wordplay, Diss and Rhyme. The maximum number of points for each category is four, and the maximum points per opponent all together is 16. Keep in mind these are not my usual standards given that this is a relatively amateur battle, and I would be using a different scale if this was meant to deal with the full spectrum of rapping skills.
RATIONALMADMAN
Rhyme: 3/4
Diss: 2/4
Wordplay: 2/4
Flow 2/4
Total score: 9/16
RAMSHUTU
Rhyme: 2/4
Diss: 3/4
Wordplay: 2/4
Flow: 1/4
Total score: 8/16
EXPLANATION
Rhyme:
RM rhymed quite well in this battle, carrying the same rhyme scheme across multiple paragraphs in some cases, and also making use of intermediate rhymes between main rhymes. For example " I fucked a fat bitch with a cactus and did crack hits on the mattress, I'm wasted/ I practiced gymnastic backflips while she gobbled my fat dick, and catfish is how that bitch told me it tasted/"
Ramshutu's rhyming was far less intricate, although he did make use of that technique on a smaller scale. Most of his rhyme schemes however were short and straightforward, with some lines not even rhyming at all.
Diss:
Ramshutu did better with disses in this battle. He seemed more on the offensive whereas RM was more on the defensive for most of the battle, and he also did well to correct him on the technicalities of historical terminology and references.
Wordplay:
They both used a little wordplay but nothing too impressive.
Flow:
RM has a decent flow although someone who is not as learned in the ways of rap as I am wouldn't be able to tell just by reading it. Ramshutu has a very straightforward and basic flow that only seldom-connects at times.
Good luck to both competitors.
Bump!
I think if the flow was better you would have won
Thanks for taking the time and effort to vote, I appreciate the feedback. :)
ty for the vote and advice supa
I don't know if I can rap. Both did well.
I also know you’ve got better things to do, but if you did have time for your own critique, it would be appreciated.
I think Rationals done this enough that I’m sure I have no chance of beating him on those sorts of technical points - like I said I have almost 0 rap experience or even that much exposure - I was going for trying to be purely entertaining, smart and funny. I’m personally judging myself on how smart my insults were, as long as people appreciated them, and whether I entertained people who read them, that’s all I can really expect out of this.
Plus - having voted on 156 debates thus far - there is literally not a single person on this site I haven’t alienated, which doesn’t help my cause :)
“The greater the artist, the greater the doubt. Perfect confidence is granted to the less talented as a consolation prize."
- Robert Hughes
I expect only to come back wiser and stronger later on.
I expect no mercy from voters who can't understand what I wrote or find it displeasing to their brains to read
that is fine, i will adapt to the stupidity of the readers as I endure defeats and am sure a more evolved style will fail to impress. Until then, I'll stick to this.
I didn't actually notice that. That's another reason why you should try to keep it a little more concise, there are 44 words between "might devote" and "buy some rope" which makes the rhyme quite imperceptible
might devote
buy some rope lycanthrope
they rhyme inside
I've only read the first rounds of this rap battle so far but Pro's disses are solid, I loved
"He’s gunna trying to make this into a dick waving contest.
Sorry bro, waving? you’ll just be jiggling at best."
and
"Forget mental heavyweights chumps like Einstein, newton or even Forrest fucking Gump.
If I wanted to find his equal, I’d pull my pants down and take a dump. "
But Con's got to work on his flow, solid considering that this is his first rap battle though, might read the rest later and leave some feedback.
I liked your pony with a saddle/your mother with a paddle line. However, you're sacrificing the flow by having lines that include more than 50 words like
"Is that your ambition is just fiction, you’re not on a mission but addiction and just might devote your whole life into being a bystander while your ass is handed to ya’ when you try penetrate my defences; drown in your own juice, pussy, how you like my Viking moat?" ryhmed with "Suck my blood? Dumbfuck, I appear to be a vampire, come and buy some rope, you didn’t suck your own kind, even the disguise you failed to fall for’s a lie but you’ll die as I’m a Lycanthrope". They're 88 words combined...
Thanks for you vote! Though I am mildly disgruntled at not getting a perfect 4/4 for diss :)
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Made a few S&G errors in R5 but I guess it's obvious, actually some words missed out together make each other flow better. missed a 'me' here and 'are' or something but whatever, it was a closing Round, the others shine through better that was just showing off flow and punchlines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqyRjXYqQDo
I did actually use 'is that' twice. whatever. Still dope enough.
"The thing" and "is that" are linked. It makes sense when you sit back and read it slower.
I realise it can be confusing where 'is that' came from in a faster reading.
You can insult me harsher, I will insult you better.
Rap is an art, not just a science. It's kind of like playing against a math genius in poker, you start to realise that they have tendencies and are assuming you do too. So you use their accurate reads against them by out-thinking the maths and entering psychology and how dumb they think you are.
You may be smarter than me, you may insult harsher than me, but your flow and metaphorical-stacking as well as just pure beauty of the punchlines and how the build-up to them was... It won't be as elegant as mine and that's why I'll win.
I don't care if you call me mentally ill, I agreed to 'no rules' in the debate description. I will win, regardless and match your style (and then counter it).
Any limits you want on disses and insults?