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There's no such thing as police brutality.

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

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Round 1
Mall's avatar
Mall
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#1
Greetings. A newcomer . This is an introduction.

Before we proceed, I'm taking a survey on serious participants.

What drove you to accept to debate this topic?

What was or is your impression on this matter?

Thanks and welcome.
acheam's avatar
acheam
Con
#2
Greetings! Thank you for the warm introduction.

I accepted the opportunity to debate this topic because it's a crucial and contentious issue that impacts many lives. Debating such topics allows for a deeper exploration of the arguments and helps to understand the different perspectives involved.

My impression of the matter is that police brutality is a real and significant problem that has been documented across various societies. It involves the use of excessive or unnecessary force by law enforcement officers and is often highlighted in discussions about justice, human rights, and law enforcement practices.

I'm looking forward to an engaging and thoughtful debate on this topic. Thanks for having me!
Round 2
Mall's avatar
Mall
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#3
There's no such thing as police brutality.

By definition, law enforcement officers which are police officers enforce the law. It is an oxymoron that an officer which enforces the law at the same time doesn't.

As far as I know it's a contradiction to what the law is for which is to keep civility and order. Officers protect and serve the people in emergency or police related type matters.

To use the expression "police brutality" is a perpetuated colloquial usage of a phrase. It is a misnomer just like the phrase civil war.
Is anything about a war, killing folks and destruction civil?

Oh it's civil because it is happening in your own backyard. Bloodshed and slaughter is bloodshed and slaughter when you get down to it.

There is no law I know that mandates undue force and or brute force.

Once a police officer acts outside of what is to be enforced, that person is no longer an officer. The person is no longer operating within the law. If you are a Catholic or Christian or Muslim, once you stop practicing what makes you one to belong to any of these sects, you're no longer of.

That's another point. Many people say they are something they're not even practicing to make them that but yet still call themselves that.
You can't be a practitioner without practicing.

So this points us back to the police. People tend to still refer to individuals that don't practice justice as them that enforce justice. 
Mr. Neely Fuller Jr. put it this way. A person with the title police officer that acts to mistreat you based on the color of your skin is actually a "race soldier".
Basically a " white " supremacist. That is basically the identification of these "race soldiers", ain't that right?

So it's not a police officer. A person with the title doctor that performs euthanasia or even abortions of all kinds is not a doctor. A doctor in origin is to heal. Not treat with drugs easing the symptoms to live life drugged up or drugged into lethal sleep.

I can yield right here. For more information regarding " race soldier", upon doing a search in the Google search engine, urban dictionary website shows the following:

"Race Soldier
Any white racist who shows an unusually diabolical zeal to engage in the practice of white supremacy; these actions are likely to but do not necessarily include direct violence against black people or people who are not white.
Its likely that race soldiers will violently oppose any civil unrest stems from the police brutality protests
by MrTekKnowledge June 19, 2020"

Don't protest police. This is whom you call to your aid, your defense and protection. Someone posing and impersonating an officer is revealed once we get to exclaiming "police brutality".  We see this person is just an imposter.



acheam's avatar
acheam
Con
#4
Thank you for your detailed argument. You've provided an interesting perspective, one that challenges the common understanding of police brutality by questioning the very use of the term itself. I'll now proceed with a rebuttal to your points.

Rebuttal:
Your argument hinges on the idea that a police officer who uses excessive force is no longer an officer and therefore cannot be guilty of police brutality. While philosophically intriguing, this perspective doesn’t align with how law enforcement operates or how society defines police misconduct.

  1. Definition and Reality of Police Brutality: Police brutality is widely recognized both legally and socially. According to the United Nations Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials, the use of force must be proportional to the situation, and excessive force is illegal. Police brutality refers to actions by officers that violate these standards, and numerous studies document the prevalence of such behavior. In the U.S., for example, the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice frequently investigates police departments for patterns of brutality (source: DOJ Civil Rights Division).

  2. Contradiction Does Not Negate Reality: You argue that it is an oxymoron for law enforcers to break the law, but paradoxes often exist in real life. For example, just because a doctor may cause harm (e.g., through malpractice) doesn't mean they aren't a doctor. It means they are failing to fulfill their professional duty. Similarly, an officer using excessive force remains an officer—they are simply abusing their power.
  3. Race Soldiers vs. Police Officers: You mentioned Neely Fuller Jr.'s term "race soldier" to describe individuals who enforce racial supremacy rather than law and order. While this term may help distinguish personal biases from professional duty, these "race soldiers" are still operating within the framework of law enforcement. Their actions are viewed as police brutality because, by the title and power they wield as officers, they have the capacity to oppress.

  4. Misnomer Argument: Comparing "police brutality" to the phrase "civil war" as a misnomer is an interesting point. However, this does not change the real-world consequences of police misconduct. Words and phrases evolve to reflect societal realities. "Police brutality" may be a colloquial term, but it accurately reflects the abusive behaviors of officers who use their power to harm civilians.

  5. Accountability in Law Enforcement: In your analogy to religious practitioners, you argue that one stops being a practitioner when they stop adhering to the principles of their faith. However, this analogy fails when applied to law enforcement. When a police officer acts outside of the law, they do not stop being a police officer; they become a police officer who is guilty of misconduct. Laws exist to hold officers accountable for their actions, which would be unnecessary if they were no longer considered police once they broke the law.

To Conclude: While I respect the nuanced way you frame police brutality as a misnomer and differentiate those who uphold justice from those who misuse their authority, society recognizes that those in law enforcement can and do commit acts of brutality. These acts are part of a broader discussion on reforming and improving accountability within the police force.
I’m looking forward to hearing your response.

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