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Is Jesus Christ , son of God son of Mary in heaven now?

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Round 1
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#1
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Pro
#2
1. Acts 1:9-11 (NIV):
"After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 'Men of Galilee,' they said, 'why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.'"

This passage describes Jesus' ascension into heaven.



2. Mark 16:19 (NIV):
"After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God."

It explicitly states that Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God.



3. Hebrews 9:24 (NIV):
"For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence."

This affirms that Jesus entered heaven and is in God's presence.



4. John 14:2-3 (NIV):
"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

Jesus promises to prepare a place in heaven, implying His presence there.



5. Philippians 3:20-21 (NIV):
"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body."

This shows that Christians believe Jesus is currently in heaven and will return from there.

Now i understand that flesh can't reach heaven , but you should know 2 things , the first is that in Christianity as far as I know Jesus took on the mòrphe of a human aka the appearance of a human , by taking flesh , basically he was inside that flesh , he himself wasn't that flesh , and I believe the apostles were trying to say basically that flesh simply isn't what reaches heaven it's the soul inside that flesh , your spirit , and of course Jesus also was inside of flesh , so although his flesh won't go to heaven he himself will go in his natural form(whether you want to call it spirit essence or whatever the message is the same) and lastly I personally refuse to believe god will allow anyone believing to go to heaven but deny his own son(metaphorically or literally interpret it however you want the message is the same) to not reach heaven , and of course god can do whatever he wants , and can indeed make an exception here , now if you look at it from a Christian perspective then Jesus is suppose to be god , and really how would god himself not be able to reach his own heaven ? The heaven he created along with the rules to go into it including the inability to go there as flesh 

Round 2
Con
#3
Thank you, for your participation.

Out of all the scripture you gave, none of which said Jesus, son of God, son of Mary went up into heaven.


Jesus, son of God, son of Mary, was flesh and blood.

Scripture say by the words you are justified.

I'm justified by the words Jesus, son of God, son of Mary, was flesh and blood was not received up into heaven.

They pierced him in his side and out came blood and water.

Jesus appeared to the disciples and said behold my hands and my feet, for a spirit have not flesh and bone. Where was the blood? Thomas wanted to see and press the wound and Jesus obliged, right.

But Mary's son was not glorified who was Jesus. 

Jesus the son of God , the high priest, seen of angels, God manifested in flesh was received up into glory.

A side question : Do you believe the scriptures support Jesus Christ justified divorce of man and woman?

Pro
#4
Those verses do indeed show he is in heaven , acts 1:9-11 literally says they saw him go to heaven , along with 2 mark 16-19 , Hebrews 9:24 literally says he entered heaven , john 14:2-3 literally says he is going to his father's house(obviously heaven) , now again god would have the ability to do anything he wants including going to heaven even as flesh , that rule would apply to humans sure , but not god's son/word/ god whatever you want to call it 

Answer to side question:
No , divorce of a man and women was condemned , only allowed if the women cheated on her husband and even then that's allowed although I wouldn't say it's encouraged , I still believe he kind of encouraged married couples to stay married even if one cheated on the other z although again it would be allowed to leave each other in that case 
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