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It can be demonstrated that the pro choice abortion position is contradicting.

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Publication date: 05.17.2025 01:16PM
Last updated date: 12.29.2025 10:29AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: Six months
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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ihadsexok

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Round 1

Mall

05.25.2025 12:39PM

Pro

Quite simply, the pro choice/ pro abortion position is often in favor of the rights of the born.

But not in favor of the unborn.

In order to obtain the rights, establish the rights, value and respect the rights of the born, they have to be extended to the unborn.

The rights of the unborn have to be established, respected and valued.

So because they're taken away, it eliminates the potential for everything else.

They were taken away. For any person born, breathing that has a right to life automatically includes any stage of development and progress of that life.

The law stepped in and amortized and truncated the value of life and made abortion legal.

Which is the legal killing of life upon a particular phase and progression of it.

A conversation I was in on discord that was recorded and posted to J. TALKS TO THE PEOPLE RADIO YouTube channel titled "heated and scorching debate - taxation is theft/abortion", the person I spoke with was "pro life".

Which turned out to be a shallow position. It was discovered the person was actually "pro choice".

The standard was not actually life. When the basis is not life, you're not in support of life as you have some other factor that trumps it.

In this case, it was the factor of consent. If an individual didn't consent to sex, abortion is therefore justified.

I explained to the person this is a similar argument for a pro abortionist. You call yourself "pro life" based on a pro abortionist talking point.

The pro abortionist argues that the person did not consent to pregnancy so therefore, termination of pregnancy is justified. It's the same factor of consent.

Whether no consent to sexual intercourse or pregnancy itself, it doesn't change the value of life. So the life is not what is important, it is the circumstances in which one should be justified in choosing or opting to abort.

In essence, a pro choice position, that person actually had.

Whether no consent to sexual intercourse or pregnancy itself, the person did not agree to a particular outcome. The person acted as responsibly as possible and circumstances beyond the person's control overrides the wishes of that person which constitutes force.

So the pro abortion stance is in conflict as much as arbitrary in terms of drawing the line for allowing termination to be executed.

I understand but so many weeks, a term, a trimester. Some argue justified no later than or justified much later and so forth.

I'm also going to add this to the fire. The pro life position is conflicted if the person believes in or supports contraception. The pro choice folks will use this argument against pro life people to highlight inconsistency.

ihadsexok

05.27.2025 03:42AM

Con

i been saying that all week

Round 2

Mall

06.02.2025 09:48AM

Pro

Right, I rest my case on that .

ihadsexok

06.09.2025 09:48AM

Con

Forfeited

Round 3

Mall

06.12.2025 05:07PM

Pro

Let's get this show on the road and out of here.

ihadsexok

06.19.2025 05:07PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 4

Mall

06.25.2025 10:29AM

Pro

Case closed.

ihadsexok

07.02.2025 10:29AM

Con

Forfeited

Lemming

07.16.2025 03:16PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Concession and forfeiture.

Barney

07.02.2025 04:11PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Concession and forfeiture