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Mieky

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#6284

Pizza is a Salad

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 4 votes and with 17 points ahead, the winner is...

AdaptableRatman

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Publication date: 06.11.2025 07:21AM
Last updated date: 07.02.2025 06:29AM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

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AdaptableRatman

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Description

The Debate is on if the Food Pizza is considered a salad or not

Round 1

Mieky

06.12.2025 01:44AM

Pro

To start good luck too my opponent <3

okay a salad is "a dish consisting of a mixture of ingredients"

First ill explain, A salad is know for being a mix of healthy ingredients in one bowl traditionally served cold and topped with dressing. Modern salads have other healthy ingredients in them though. But a Pizza is dough which is baked with sauce and a mixture of ingredients.

"The core of the “pizza is salad” argument lies in the composition of the toppings. If we consider a pizza laden with vegetables, the similarities to a salad become more apparent."

One primary agreement my opponet might use is that a pizza is baked and a salad is served raw. But that really doesn't make use in a agreement entirely due to the fact that modern salads use baked ingredients, like in my salads I use grilled chicken like most others do you can also use other non raw ingredients like a bowl egg for example.

When I eat a pizza I have vegetables on mine just like any other non-carnivore. So just like a salad a pizza has 1. A mix of ingredients 2.Vegetables 3. A dressing

This is where i will wrap up my agreement

AdaptableRatman

06.14.2025 01:08AM

Con

Salad

a mixture of uncooked vegetables, usually including lettuce, eaten either as a separate dish or with other food

cambridge

: any of various usually cold dishes: such as
raw greens (such as lettuce) often combined with other vegetables and toppings and served especially with dressing
Small pieces of food (such as pasta, meat, fruit, or vegetables) usually mixed with a dressing (such as mayonnaise) or set in gelatin

merriam-webster

Pizza

a large circle of flat bread baked with cheese, tomatoes, and sometimes meat and vegetables spread on top:

cambridge

A savoury dish of Italian origin, consisting of a flat, usually round base of dough, baked with a topping of tomatoes, cheese, and any of various other ingredients, such as meat, anchovies, or olives.

oxford

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The temperature

Salad is typically raw or cold even if cooked. It often is stored in a fridge actually.

Pizza, in stark contrast, is served as piping hot as possible but uts often wise to let ir cool a tiny bit to not burn one's mouth. It is baked to have the dough and then 'baked' in a less full sense in that the oven bakes tbe ingredients into the cheese that covers the tomato base.

If you do store pizza cold, the natural instinct would be to reheat it significantly, before eating it because it will taste mich less pleasant texture-wise if not also taste wise, if left cold.

Some prefer it cold as it leads to some tastes being inhibited and they prefer it with the new texture. It is irrefutavle that pizza in its true form is served hot though.

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Pizza is defined by tomato paste (often cheese as well) and baked dough

I don't think my opponent realises, salad is not solely defined as mixed food ingredients.

Salad is defined as specifically being prejted around vegetables most of which are cold and raw. Pizza is defieb by having vaked doigh and a tomato paste. The cheese actually does not fully define it but adds to the difference.

The vegetable ingredients are central to salads. Tomato is actually a fruit but nutritionally and gastronomically functions as a vegetable.

Either way, notice that for a fruit salad you add the word 'fruit' to separate it from a normal salad.

If a pizza were a salad, you could not define it since a 'pizza salad' would refer to small pizza pieces put into the vegetable salad mixture.

Round 2

Mieky

06.16.2025 01:08AM

Pro

Forfeited

AdaptableRatman

06.16.2025 01:12AM

Con

You live and you learn.

Round 3

Mieky

06.16.2025 05:21AM

Pro

Uhh im not gonna lie i can't really understand what your saying and sorry for forfeiting a round.

First, with the temperature agreement you said that, Salad cold, pizza hot. And that's literally the only reasonable agreement someone could have in the debate that a Pizza is a Salad. That due to the fact that a pizza is served hot it can't be considered a salad.

Then we go to your other debate and you opened by saying "I don't think my opponent realises, salad is not solely defined as mixed food ingredients."

But well its quite literally is through and you are right that its important to add that its a mix of vegetables. But if you really look at a salad its just a mix of lettuce and some more stuff just like a pizza its served different but in the end there the same thing.

And the name of somthing doesnt mean that its different from something else. Just because they didnt name it a pizza salad doesnt mean that its not.

AdaptableRatman

06.18.2025 12:42AM

Con

due to the fact that a pizza is served hot it can't be considered a salad.

Agreed. I assume this is a concession.

But well its quite literally is through and you are right that its important to add that its a mix of vegetables. But if you really look at a salad its just a mix of lettuce and some more stuff just like a pizza its served different but in the end there [sic] the same thing.

Well no, they are not the same. A pizza with tomato base, dough and cheese counts.

Mieky

07.02.2025 06:29AM

#13

we just letting anyone vote now

Barney

07.01.2025 08:01PM

#12

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@Mieky

@AdaptableRatman

@Umbrellacorp

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>Reported Vote: Umbrellacorp // Mod action: Not Removed (non-moderated debate)
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>Points Awarded: 5 to con
>Reason for Decision: See Votes Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:

This debate clearly falls into one or more category of non-moderated debates, and the vote does not seem to be cast in malice. Therefore, no intervention is merited.
https://info.debateart.com/terms-of-service/voting-policy#non-moderated-debates

That said I do see mention of in the comments of the source allotment. This debate was conceded, so any majority award in favor of the person for whom to debate was conceded to, are not moderated. Otherwise, the source award would fall below the standard (and honestly, this debate doesn't get source heavy, so it's usually best to leave it a tie even if it's a tie leaning in one direction).
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Umbrellacorp

07.01.2025 04:04AM

#11

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@Mieky

What are you even talking about. I don't even know you. His source was the english dictionary whereas your source was your own mind. Do you understand now why?

Mieky

06.30.2025 10:03PM

#10

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@Umbrellacorp

I simply believe that you have a bias against me respectfully. You will either vote against what i stand for or if its my debate you vote against me.

For further debates I believe that me and you should not vote on each others debates.

Mieky

06.30.2025 10:01PM

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@Umbrellacorp

how does he get a point for source? when all he did was look up the definition same as i did i just didnt link where i got mine from but if you simply just look up What is a salad it says "a dish consisting of a mixture of ingredients" from 5 different sources.

Barney

06.30.2025 06:14PM

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@AdaptableRatman

The conduct award was for them conceding, which makes all the votes in your favor incredibly easy on everyone.

AdaptableRatman

06.30.2025 05:18PM

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@Barney

Pro Forfeited, not me btw.

Umbrellacorp

06.30.2025 04:16PM

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@AdaptableRatman

i hate the voting requirements here. if it gets removed i will revote.

AdaptableRatman

06.30.2025 04:15PM

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@Umbrellacorp

You have to say sources that won the sources thing and have to mention Pro's arguments too

Umbrellacorp

06.30.2025 02:36PM

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@Mieky

"to be specific im talking about italian pizza's"
no difference with any other pizzas. Dough, cheese, tomato sauce.
What kind of topic is even this?

AdaptableRatman

06.30.2025 07:54AM

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@Savant

@LucyStarfire

Please vote if you have time.

Mieky

06.30.2025 07:52AM

votes!!!!!!!

Mieky

06.17.2025 12:08AM

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@AdaptableRatman

to be specific im talking about italian pizza's

Skipper_Sr

07.01.2025 09:49PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro lost conduct point due to forfeiting 1/3 of the debate.

Con provided more reliable sources from well-established dictionaries.

Con had the better argument because he gave good points for how pizza is not a type of salad.

Comment:
One of the things I would say against Pro's argument is that the base of pizza and salad are very different as well as the preparation and methods of serving and consumption.

fauxlaw

06.30.2025 11:49PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Argument:
Pro flailed to adequately define terms, one ofc tree essential necessities of a multiple criterion debate. Pizza and salads are keywords of the Resolution, "pizza is a salad." pizza is loosely described by Pro, but insufficient to call it a dictionary definition, and salad is more poorly described as a "mix of ingredients."
Con's RE1, first argument is effectively the winning argument up front as first salvo by repeating a Pro R1 argument, but with word emphasis [bolding] to demonstrate an excellent rebuttal: "a mixture of uncooked vegetables, usually including lettuce, eaten either as a separate dish or with other food," by an initial description of a salad, but with the closure "...eaten either as a separate dish or with other food." "other food" being, for example, a pizza, because, Con explains, pizza is not salad, and Con's balance of R1 explains why not, simply because salad can be, but is not necessarily "a mix of ingredients", since a pizza can be described exactly the same way, and yet, Pro admits "salad" is "a separate dish or with other food" which makes it a distinctive food that can be combined with pizza, but Can defines salad as "raw greens [such s lettuce," but pizza is "baked with toppings" while salad is not typically baked. pro wins argument.
Sources:
Pro offers a quoted statement in R1, but does not cite a source, so, it is not certain why the statement is in quotes. Pro offers no other apparent sources.
Con offers dictionary sources of definition in R1, the offerers more surges to recommend refrigerated storage of leftover salad, and re-heating leftover pizza [having already sourced the baking necessity of a pizza dish to serve it.] Points to Con.

Legibility: tie

Conduct: Pro forfeits round 2; Con wins point.

Barney

06.30.2025 05:12PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro is grasping at straws by arguing that some pizza could be considered salad, but then concedes that most pizza itself differentiates via being served hot... This concession feels like further discussion is wished, but that the debate itself was conceded.

Umbrellacorp

06.30.2025 02:35PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro ignores all the english dictionary just by questioning this topic.
Con provides the right definitions clearly outlining the differences between pizza and salad.