Instigator / Pro

Icry2

1500

rating

debates

25.0%

won

Topic

#6290

Being trans is not a choice

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Winner

After 3 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

AdaptableRatman

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LGBT

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Publication date: 06.12.2025 07:07AM
Last updated date: 06.22.2025 04:57PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: One day
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

AdaptableRatman

1597

rating

debates

65.15%

won

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Round 1

Icry2

06.12.2025 03:39PM

Pro

Everyone has a gender identity it’s your personal sense of being a boy, girl, both, neither, or something else. For most people, it matches the sex they were assigned at birth. But for trans people, it doesn’t. This isn’t something they chose it’s who they are.

AdaptableRatman

06.13.2025 01:54PM

Con

Being trans is choosing to take hormonal altering stuff, matbe even cosmetic surgery to even genitalia to appear as the other gender.

Even if you don't do that, it is your choice to declare yourself as trans.

'Transition' is a verb, the noun refers to 'the transition'. In the same way 'jump' is a verb but 'the jump/leap' is noun-format. If transitioning is an action as 'transition' is a verb, it follows that the status of being trans relies on chosen actions, not on solely the urge to take said actions.

Round 2

Icry2

06.14.2025 01:54PM

Pro

Forfeited

AdaptableRatman

06.14.2025 02:09PM

Con

The most wonderful gift. Tje glorious penis and masculine strength and prowess of man, the glorious breasts, emotions, womb and lifegiving capacity of women.

To take that gift and throw it away is a choice. Never dare let cancel culture coerce us to think otherwise. Say maybe, think never.

Holiest Lord, I pray to save these sinners fron their vile betrayal of the male or female soul you blessed them with.

Amen.

Round 3

Icry2

06.14.2025 04:57PM

Pro

no one wakes up and chooses to be transgender, just as no one chooses their eye color, sexual orientation, or innate personality.
Being trans is the realization that one’s internal sense of gender does not align with the sex assigned at birth.You can choose to take hormones.You can choose to socially or medically transition. But the trans identity itself is not chosen it is responded to
This is not speculative. The American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, and the World Health Organization all recognize that:Gender identity is complex, involving biological, psychological, and social factors.Being transgender is not a mental illness, and it is not a lifestyle choice.Trans people often report knowing they were “different” from a very young age—long before they had the language or agency to “choose.”

In fact, many trans people go through years of pain, confusion, and fear before coming out because if it were a choice, why would anyone choose to suffer rejection, discrimination, or even violence?

AdaptableRatman

06.15.2025 04:57PM

Con

Forfeited

fauxlaw

06.21.2025 12:41AM

As I have sworn off voting for the time being, I will comment here that the Library of Medicine of the U.S. has defined "trans" as a genetic condition by which one is born and is not either XX, nor XY, but variable alterations of both, but also that only 0.000007% of the 8B humans populating Earth exhibit these varied conditions in the 23rd pair of chromosomes, which amounts to about 500 individuals, worldwide; about 3 people per country on average. As people claiming to be "trans" far exceeds this number, the balance making the claim have a head trip, ergo, choice, whether they realize the ramifications of the choice, or not. Many apparently do not, because their 23rd chromosome says XX or XY in 99.9999% of them..

Casey_Risk

06.20.2025 11:27PM

Actually, I've changed my mind. I agree with Savant; this debate ought to be a tie. Would one of the mods please remove my vote?

AdaptableRatman

06.15.2025 09:30PM

Last round blitzkrieg is filthy as it gets. 1 day rounds sealed the deal fir Pro.

LucyStarfire

06.12.2025 08:22AM

Nothing is a choice.

Barney

06.21.2025 09:27AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Pro, pro did energy assertions one minute, and what looks to be an AI generated argument the next… Con gave the debate a centerpiece already of the outward transition, to which pro declared it’s not a choice by comparison to similar things like eye color… this is is non-Sequitur, so the initiative of that cornerstone point remained with con.

21Pilots

06.21.2025 02:24AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

AR provided valid reasons and used Christianity to his advantage. As a Christian myself, I must admit my heart was shifted towards AR. But after reading the arguments it went from 10% to 100%.
Why?
WE must all agree that we were assigned different genders at the start of birth. The lord, or any god you believe, created us in our own unique ways. But some people think of this meaning differently. Unique means to be having different appearances for each person. Whether ugly or handsome, not two people are the same. Unique also means personality.
Because of this, being born feeling different occurs to everybody, we must all remember that this is part of growing up, not some special “spidey sense”.
Con uses the facts of original humans efficiently, he provided both the human and the Christian’s perspective of this topic.
Since both users forfeited one of their rounds, it would be viewed as a 2 round argument.

Savant

06.15.2025 09:59PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Neither side really responds to the other side's definition. Con defines trans as the act of transitioning, since they have the same root word. Pro appeals to the APA, AMA, and WHO. Citing these authorities could have been enough to win had a link been provided and the tie to the definition more explicit. However, the appeal to authority only states that trans people report feeling different from a young age and that being trans is not a mental illness, which could technically both be true under Con's definition. It is implied that these authorities define the term trans as Pro is saying, but neither debater gives me a framework to weigh that implied appeal to authority against Con's semantic case. Since neither side really engaged with the other side's case, I'm leaving this as a draw.