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Calling you out - Did christianity actually come from Christ himself?
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Please quote exactly. Do not rephrase or reinterpret. Answer all questions directly. Failure to comply with all this is an automatic forfeit.
Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
Round 1
Greetings. Thanks for your participation.
Now, the nominal religion to date is Christianity. But is it actually the religion Jesus made an example of?
Even the name itself, we can't read in scripture anywhere.
I do believe where the scriptures teach about the great falling away.
All these denominations, sects, inventions and concoctions of labels with christianity are representative.
According to the scripture, man has fallen away from God. So the religion of God , what faith did he establish for man?
Let's get the book of Jude.
Starting at verse eleven.
"11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
So this is about ungodly and the godly. Sinners are ungodly. Now are you a Christian? Do you also sin?
Christianity I believe allows sin in it which now is no different from sin allowed by any sinner. It goes on to say in verse sixteen:
"16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,"
So a holy faith . If you have the spirit , God, the holy ghost who is holy God, you are in the holy faith.
Many so called christians don't even believe or confess in receiving the holy spirit walking in holiness because it is God walking in you.
True holiness. The average person never confesses they are of true holiness because they're not. It's too narrow. Christianity is widen with denominations, all types of acceptance of sin, homosexuality, homosexual marriages, divorce, remarriage, women preachers, people calling themselves to preach adding to scripture, not having the mystery of the godhead, believing in three persons not believing in baptism, not believing speaking in tongues, head covering, wives submitting to husbands, etc.
But when you are in holiness, a way, the way the Father Jesus established, a wayfaring man need not error .
That holy ghost walks in you , you don't even stumble anymore in your walk. That's because the holy Spirit who is Father God is leading you. Very powerful stuff according to the scripture.
But the invention of Christianity has abandoned all that . Has fell away from that. I believe it's to the point now, scripture is not even the word of God anymore to so called believers. They believe in so called scholars and church fathers and theologians to be some type of standard.
Scripture say "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain."
So because there are so many different religions out there that have not come from out of the truth , it's all in vain.
Unless the Lord builds a house, its builders labor over it in vain.
I'll leave it there. The opposing side can go ahead to make a statement or two. Whatever questions there are on the topic, we can get into.
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Round 2
I rest my case.
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Round 3
I rest my case.
The believe the book says who will rise up for me?
Rise up for the Lord .
I guess that mouth was stopped early.
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Round 4
Amen.
Well Titus 1
"10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not"
No teaching Christianity for it has subverted the people into the denominations and so forth.
Mouths must be stopped on that.
Amen.
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Round 5
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Religion is a coping mechanism so short answer,no Christ partakes absolutely no role is this topic . He didn’t create and he is not the reason for religion.Lets think.. By coping mechanism which eventually becomes the saying “it’s not real,man made” I mean we cope with religion because humans for as long as 300,000 years of humans walking upon earth and beings with a higher IQ , those are the one that have always asked the question or wondered about death. EVERY.SINGLE.BEING . every religion is primarily based off death ,and our afterlife beliefs. Think about that. every single religion or half the population among religion has an afterlife theory. That’s our way to cope. Not only coping due to answers human minds are unable to comprehend due to our limitations, but coping from religion due to catastrophic event,terroristic times in life, slavery, Great Depression,etc etc. Also think about it,the bible literally contradicts itself. This verse says NEVER act upon hypothetically “ur inner thoughts” oh. This next verse goes against the previous verse . So it sounds like it was man made from unintelligent humans decades ago when power,and control,and when demands came . Religions are different based on when your from and how the tribe from your country or the popular acts among tribes or individuals . Countries all over the world are specifically forced to obey and worship cause of the laws and regulations of there homeland. Hypothetically let’s say this individual is apart of “certain religion “ and has never heard of the god you worship that promises or contradicts your afterlife. So all 3,999 religions or 9,999 religions are going to have different effects overtime to this individual. Or just there gods sayings and rituals. Hmm big question. So religion was never a what if ,it was never supposed to be in question. We are here right now because of the coping mechanism our old offspring created. No matter how “ridiculous “ this religion thing is too you, slavery without god ,is a ongoing control tactic that would later wipe out the entire planets source of reason”us as humans,animals,plants,everything living,and contributing among being apart or with the earth. So we wouldn’t be here without religion. We would either be a very very very small population of humans. I’m talking one country that’s it. In the whole world,or we’re sad ,depressed,drained,exhausted humans that fear death cause of no evidence or even anything controversial to the coping answer.
i can argue u.
1. Christianity derives from 'Christian' a name given from the church in Greece as stated in Acts.
2. Religion = as said by once, 'a path to God'. Jesus came to heal the sick, give sight to the blind, and most importantly call the lost. He didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfil it.
- What is Christianity? Study it's principles. Love one another, forgive those who heart u, serve the sick and those outcast by society. Those traditions don't just come out of the blue, they were taught and brought by the teachings of Jesus.
Christianity was early known as The Way, as a reference to how the teachings were to place on the narrow path 2 God. The current name aligns with that, as we not only go on a path 2 God, we follow Christ. So yes, Christianity was passed on from Christ himself(evident in Galatians 1:11-12 where Paul says how God passed on teachings to the apostles)