Instigator / Pro
6
1495
rating
47
debates
48.94%
won
Topic
#797

Men and women are a different type of organism from each other.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
0
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
0
1

After 1 vote and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Sparrow
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
4
1706
rating
562
debates
68.06%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Conduct to con for the forfeit.

Arguments:

This is really just a semantic argument surrounding “type”, pro controlled this discussion with his example of cheeseburgers and bacon cheeseburger, and types of game console. This builds upon his opening round where he claims we are all organisms, and as male and female have different defining traits - and thus different types.

Cons argument was frankly absurd, he argues Firstly that men and women are not a type of anything - and that men and women can’t be grouped as organisms.

Cons 1.2 had promise; but his argument became that as all males and all females are different - they cannot be considered a type. Which to me makes little sense intuitively - how can I exclude them being a type when con himself is creating a category for them by using the specific names. Cons 2 also had promise, but he became fixated with grammar and pluralization rather than arguing the more obvious claim that organisms don’t apply to gender.

I feel con missed the boat here by relying on obtuse and largely nonsensical semantic attacks; whilst pro added a very sensible sounding and intuitive argument about types. Con didn’t address the details of pros analysis here, or refute the key aspects of type pro raised in his first and second rounds.

As a result: arguments to pro.

What’s absurd here, is that I feel con could have trivially won this debate by saying something along the following lines:

“Cheeseburgers and bacon cheeseburgers are a different type of burger, but not a different type of food.”

“By pros logic my properties and aspects change day to day and thus I am a different organism than yesterday, this clearly isn’t intuitive”

And many other variations.