Trump should not have bombed the Syrian Air Base in 2017
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I am a Trump supporter, but dammmmmmmm was this BAD. Worst mistake he's right up there with his government shutdown that ended in a republican disaster. Anyway, dont ask for any definitions for these words. There are the definitions you just search up on Google. No forfeiting, no personal attacks and have fun. Good luck!
The only thing this created was the same affect the Iraq war created. More terrorism and destabilization. This lead to massive tensions, helping ISIS, and destabilizing the region. Libya,Iraq, and then Syria. Intervention does not help. Name one positive thing to come out this.
Trump said in a 2013 tweet after the chemical attack “Don't Attack Syria-an attack will only bring trouble to the U.S. focus on making America strong and great again.” This is what Trump campaigned against.{1}
The very air base that Trump bombed was protecting a Christian town that was under attack by ISIS almost every day and destroyed churches. By doing that, Trump is helping ISIS who came out and said that the bombing of the air base was GOOD. As well as al-qaeda. Trump helped jihadists. The first airstrike Trump did in Syria killed 30 civilians.{2}{3}
First of all in the 2013 attack, Syrian rebels in the Darra district admitted to committing the atrocity. So we know that they have chemical weapons as well as why should Assad commit this atrocity? He is winning the war and is in a perfect position. It makes no sense to kill civilians. At this point he took Aleppo. The area where the chemical weapon attack took place, the rebels took defeat and agreed to leave out of the are in 2 weeks.The stage is set and in favor for the rebels for committing this.
2.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-us-military-attack-yemen-civilians-women-children-dead-a7553121.html
3.https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isil-launches-offensive-near-military-base-targeted-us-missiles/
4.https://theintercept.com/2019/02/09/douma-chemical-attack-evidence-syria/
No, this is absolutely false. Syria was already a complete cluster of hell and war riddled. You cant cause a war when there is already one going on. Positive things that may occur are that the missiles were a warning strike to keep Assad from getting more creative with how he kills.
This is not being a hypocrite. You are able to evolve your thoughts over time, although i sincerely believe trump only bombed Syria because of pressure from human rights organizations.
The link you gave was with relation to the Yemen war, which is not relevant in this topic. You have yet to provide any evidence of the city being majority christian and “under protection” and 0 evidence supporting that ISIS said it was “good”.
The final link you provided LITERALLY SAYS that in one of the attacks a SYRIAN ARMY COPTER is the only thing responsible for launching the attack. There is 0 solid evidence that the rebels did this.
Arguments
“Another war”. Pro outlines the negatives of intervention - terrorism and destabilization. Cons outline was thats Syria was already destabilized and served as a warning.
Pro points out that there was another chemical attack afterwards, that ISIS was falling, and so it didn’t serve as a warning, and was of limited effectiveness as Assad is being supported by Moscow.
Pro clearly outlines the harm of those killed for no apparent benefit. This point goes to pro.
2.) hypocrisy.
Pro points out that not intervening in international affairs was a campaign promise that Trump broke. Con seems to agree. This point goes to pro, though it is not clear why breaking a promise causes inherent harm (what if he is right now but wrong before?)
3.) wrong place.
Pro claims the airbase was protecting a town from isis, indicating that the strike assisted the Jihadists. Con drops this. So this point goes to pro too.
4.) The revels made the attack - it wasn’t Syria.
There was much confusion here. Pro confuses the US backed rebels with Jihadists, and the article appears to support cons position that it was Syria.
In all, pros argument seemed too much like conspiracy and conjecture. This point goes to con. Saying this, that it was Syria that committed the bombing seems to be more in support of cons position, but given point (1) overall the benefit of bombing for the chemical attack is largely mitigated by it being ineffective.
Summary:
So, the issue here is that con doesn’t give me any compelling benefit or case to support the bombing other than deterrence - which didn’t work.
Pro gives two weak harms (aiding Isis and killing civilians) of the bombing.
Given this, though pros harms are weak - they beat the lack of benefit that con shows. As a result - arguments go to pro.
I would like to thank both opponents for this debate, let's begin my analysis.
POOR GRAMMAR:
Con exhibited very poor grammar in this debate.
Some examples of his misspelling and poor wording were,
" You cant cause a war " - Should be spelled can't not cant.
" As i said i believe he was pressured to do the attack" - The I should look like this, not i.
Examples of his poor format were his/her's final round which had poor format since it was very smooshed together which made reading it clearly almost impossible.
All other points tied as I am unable to read Con's arguments amongst these conditions.
Yes and I agree. I would rather lose than tie because I know what I can improve on. Like my Go voter suppression debate, I am debating Virtuoso, a very skilled debater, I probably will lose, But I will learn a lot more about debating and improve
I try to make sure every single debate has at least one vote and every single debate doesn't have an unjust vote thanks.
I would like to thank Pinkfreud08 for the vote and encourage others to vote aswell.
He shouldn't have been president in the fucking first place.
ok I accepted
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