Debates I am willing to debate with Muslims

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Debates I will accept with muslims after we negotiate terms. I am pro on the following. 

1. Jesus is God
2. Jesus died and then rose from the dead
3. Muhhamed was not real
4. Having sex with children is unethical
5. The Quran is corrupted
6. Islam is not a religion of peace

I will add to this list as I learn more about your sick religion.  
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The Quran can be reconciled with the biblical scriptures.
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We'll see. I certainly want to debate some of it to resolve whether that is correct or not
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Having sex with children is unethical
In islam, 9 year old is an adult, not child,  so thats not what muslims will debate.

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i thought I unblocked you. Let me fix that
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For instance I believe the scriptures teach Jesus is the word of God. In the Quran it says he is the messenger of allah.

Two different regions that had two wild apart views on the same subject . They're not worlds apart.
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I would say some things are in terms of what many Muslims believe. For example and correct me if I am mistaken but Muslims claim that God cannot have a son, or he God cannot walk on earth. They believe Jesus was not crucified but he instead ascended to heaven and an imposter was on the cross. They also do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus. So even if the verses agree between the Quran and Bible there are some theological differences in belief worth discussing
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Muhhamed was not real
Muhammad PBUH was real though.
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The arguments against his existence aren't as silly as thy initially seem. I thought the first person who told me that was just being a retard but then I went into it the theory seemed more grounded. 

It would be fun to debate at some point. Also why are you doing (PBUH) are you randomly Muslim now? 
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Because it's what you do, why are you constantly spelling his name wrong are you suddenly protesting by spelling his name wrong on top of insulting all Muslims in other ways?

It is not that the arguments against his existence are idiotic, they're just wrong. He was absolutely real unless you think only the warlords connected to him were real and all agreed to make him up.
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I spell his name wrong because autocorrect doesn't appear to be saving me. I am intending to insult Islam not Muslims specifically though I know I tread the line and fuck up. 

He was absolutely real unless you think only the warlords connected to him were real and all agreed to make him up.
I think he is based on a real person. A person who lived in the same time period but who was actually a good person unlike muhhamed and his kegend kind of morphed into muhhamed along with a bunch of mythology that seemed to pop up and attach itself to his legend. 

I am not sure if I believe he is real or fictional but I do want to explore the topic and I think it would be fun to research and I also think by the time the debate is wrong I will at the very least know a lot more about Islam and Muhhamed. 
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Then debate me on it. He was a real person fucked a real 9 year old (she was almost 9, it's lunar years not solar so she's late 8 to us now) and was really worshipped as a prophet by warlords that he had as his semi-loyal wild beasts ready to be savages when he let them and stop when he told them to.

He was like a godfather.
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I will accept a challenge but I will wait until just before the challenge expires to accept. Not only is my case difficult to make it is even more difficult to be concise and clear with and the material I need is hard to acquire for whatever reason. Likely because Muslims get violent when challenged. 
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That's something Muhammad encouraged, as long as they stopped when you convert.
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You are only looking at the Qur'an, how much do you know about the Hadiths?
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@WyIted
This gets pretty deep. As many are aware, there are theological differences just based in the biblical scriptures.

God cannot have a son according to the Quran. In the scriptures God cannot have a son which does not have his spirit , he's none of his. In the scriptures obviously the spirit has never had a son in a physical process like a man. God cannot have "a " son because he actually has "many" that are adopted. God is a spirit according to the scriptures filling heaven and earth, therefore it is moot to walk. Where the scripture mentions walking in the cool of the day has to be rightly divided as the scripture teaches rightly dividing the word of truth. Jesus was perceived as God in the scriptures and was crucified for perceived blasphemy from the jewish leaders. Well being that Jesus was God, the son of man , God cannot be crucified but the body was crucified which resembles flesh and blood that God took on. Applies the same way with the resurrection . 

Basically one book is giving more revelation of all these events. Just like from the old testament to the new and the variation of different angles between the four gospels.

But an interesting subject nonetheless to go in depth.
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The hadiths I am working on but you'll find when they debate you that if you mention the hadiths they are more dismissive of them than the Quran. 

That's something Muhammad encouraged, as long as they stopped when you convert
In a predominantly Muslim country it would be hard to survive any attempt to challenge Islam, I think once the population gets below 30% they seem to be less likely to throw you off of a roof for doing so. 
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God cannot have a son according to the Quran. In the scriptures God cannot have a son which does not have his spirit , he's none of his. In the scriptures obviously the spirit has never had a son in a physical process like a man. God cannot have "a " son because he actually has "many" that are adopted.
Does the Quran ever call God Father? 


God is a spirit according to the scriptures filling heaven and earth, therefore it is moot to walk.
How does the Quran cover the story of Moses talking to a Burning bush? 

Does God call to Moses from a burning bush? 

Well being that Jesus was God, the son of man , God cannot be crucified but the body was crucified which resembles flesh and blood that God took on. Applies the same way with the resurrection . 
I dont believe God is too weak to become flesh if he wanted to. I also don't believe him so weak he can not simultaneously be flesh and control the entire world at the same time.  However are you agreeing that Jesus did die and was resurrected?

What is your take on that to be specific?
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WyIted wrote: Also why are you doing (PBUH) are you randomly Muslim now? 

RationalMadman wrote: Because it's what you do.

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 So are you a Muslim now?  was the question?
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No he's not, he's just a pussy when it comes to disrespecting Islam because he's afraid of how extreme and violent Muslims can be.
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No he's[RationalMadman]not, he's just a pussy when it comes to disrespecting Islam because he's afraid of how extreme and violent Muslims can be.

Who can blame him?

"Can be"!?   Followers of Islam have proven themselves to be  violent defenders of their violent and vile ideology over and over again.

Write a simple novel and a fatwa is put on your head- Salman Rushdie... Draw a picture of Muhammad and you get riddled with bullets - Charlie Hebdo. Just not believing can get you your throat cut or head totally removed from your neck - Anyone not Muslim.<<< These are facts!  So it is very rational to fear Islam.

What I find more "pussyfide" is our own Western Governments caving in to this intolerant vile ideology.

As the late great Christopher Hitchens warned a few decades ago-  "resist it while you can before they take away your right to complain about it".
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Just make religion punishable by death imo.
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Just make religion punishable by death imo.

But you are clever enough to know it's not that simple.... aren't you?
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Well it's just wishful thinking, I know it isn't a realistic solution. Plus even if every religious person on earth died humanity would just invent new and resurrect old religions because such is the nature of the stupid.
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such is the nature of the stupid.

Yep, there's just no cure for stupid, FC.😒
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I don't know that religion is the issue since we see some similar tendencies in certain philosophies or schools of thought. For Christians and Muslims you have the fundamentalists. The Muslim fundamentalist will throw fags off of roofs, and the christian fundamentalist will oppose liberty through things like censorship. We see that intersectionalists often have a lot of the same tendencies as religious fundamentalists. So there is a type of mind virus we are susceptible to just from being human and whether we reject religion or not, whether we approach religion from a very individualistic point of view or not, if we don't watch ourselves we can be ensnared by similar mind viruses. I call them egregores. Of course these egregores exist on smaller less nefarious levels as well, but for the most part they serve their own energetic means and not humans.
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Show me these atheist people that beat up homosexuals, I'm not saying they don't exist I'm asking you to show me examples.
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RationalMadman wrote: Show me these atheist people that beat up homosexuals, I'm not saying they don't exist I'm asking you to show me examples.

Silly request considering you don't deny "they exist". So why don't you show us your own examples of these atheist that beat up homosexuals?
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Atheist fundamentalists will engage in different repressive tactics than the religious. White nationalist movements are essentially an atheistic type of fundamentalism that would do something like that, but you can see these violent tendency on leftwing atheistic fundamentalists as well, just not directed at homosexuals. Like the famous bikelock guy who attacked people for wearing red hats, or antifa who used violence to overtake and rob small and big businesses alike.

If we just look at homosexuality than no intersectionalists are not going to physically attack them on that characteristic alone, it would be more like the white kid walking to school with dreadlocks being physically attacked for cultural appropriation. The lumpen proletariat will not be attacked until a marxist revolution is complete, but even assuming it is never complete than physical attacks and thought stopping behavior is going to occur. Here are some favorite slogans at leftist gatherings

1. Punch a nazi (they have a very liberal definition of Nazi that even encapsulate zionist Jews apparently)
2. The only good cop is a dead cop
3. No justice no peace

It's a different type of violence and I would say that not all of the violence is physical if that makes sense. For example if a Christian wants to stop free speech by banning porn than while not directly violent, we do know that the responsibility to impose that ban would fall on police who necessarily need to use violence to enforce the ban. The intersectionalists will use a similar type of violence in addition to the physical violence. Make an edgy meme and work for somebody else, or even a meme that is innocent but they take as edgy, your boss will get 100 harassing calls demanding you are fired. Own a business and do the same, be prepared to get review bombed and to have employees threatened on the phone. We also know that doxxing campaigns are also a threat of violence shaded with plausible deniability to say "I know who you are and where you are". It's meant as a type of censorship as well and enforced by threats of violence.

So essentially you are right, the fundamentalist tendencies present in different ways, and some ways are worse than others. Christian fundamentalists will ban Gay marriage, lefty political fundamentalists will not, Muslim fundamentalists will throw them off of a roof. There are zero openly gay couples in palestine unless it is dumb Israeli settlers who care very little for their own safety.
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I would also like to add that there are differences between culturally accepted forms of violence and random acts of violence. If Christians disproportionately attack homosexuals it is typically going to be random actors and disapproved of by most Christians. However if a Muslim throws a homo off the roof in Gaza than there will be cheering and it will be seen as the right thing to do. If there is some cultural element that makes that random act of violence more likely to occur than it definitely needs addressed. However if the culture at large approves of that behavior it is significantly more dangerous. It's also hard to change Muslim culture because they follow the book and the man. The book and the man are very clear about things like homosexuality and Jews. You essentially would have to start messing with Quran translations over time to address the issue because you aren't going to convince them to interpret what is clearly written to mean something more acceptable to larger society.  The only way to do it is a CIA program where you prop up like 5 or 6 muslim scholars start pushing their content hard and then do another maybe similar program where you take the most problematic muslim influencers and start propagandizing that they are Gay or crack heads or something.